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FOR SALE
For Lancair 360.
Three Blade MT
propeller/hartzell hub
Model MTV-12-B
With three new blades 175-59D
Less than 8 hours on new blades and
overhaul but prop is timed out. Approx 320 SNEW.
Located Bremerton, Wa PWT.
Bob Smiley
From: Lancair Mailing
List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf
Of Gary Casey
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:07
PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Engine
"surge" issue
The basic design of the Bendix fuel injection system was done
before or during WWII, so I'm surprised that the "designer" is still
around. Point is, it's been here for a long time, although the current
configuration was put together in the 50's. And it still works quite
well, so I guess that says something.
Berni says that his lines are "heat shielded", but I
don't know exactly what that means. I used the loose-fitting "fire
sleeve" on mine, as I felt it provided better insulation than the integral
fire sleeves that are sold. The most important fuel line is the one from
the fuel servo to the distributor and it is very important that it be adequately
insulated. The first fuel to vaporize is from the distributor to the
injectors, as there is nothing but an orifice at the injector to keep fuel from
running out. Then the fuel inside the distributor can vaporize, pushing
the distributor valve open and pumping more fuel out through the injectors.
finally, the fuel in the line from the servo can vaporize. All that
contributes to the rich hot start problem, which occurs with either the
"Bendix" or the Continental system as they are essentially the same
in this area.
The problem Berni describes is after starting when the engine
surges, and that is from a lean condition, either from bubbles in the fuel
going through the injectors, or from a vapor lock of the pump. So after
starting there is almost no way to cure the surge, except to keep the engine
running at relaively high load, which increases the fuel flow and reduces the
time it takes to cool down the fuel system. Leaving the electric pump on
will usually cure a vapor lock issue, but that isn't the usual cause (in fact,
some airplanes I've flown seemed to be more likely to vapor lock the electric
pump than the mechanical one). One reason to keep the engine running at a
reasonably high speed it to keep it from stopping during a surge condition.
Then it is important to avoid any slow idle periods just before takeoff,
as vapor can reform during periods of low fuel flow. I suspect that was
the cause of the surge during takeoff.
Just some of my thoughts that I hope help.
Berni, 100 octane fuel boils at a very low temp.
Fuel is boiling in the injection lines when the engine is hot when you are
idling. When you are above idle there is enough fuel traversing the fuel lines
to keep them under the boiling point which is why you only get this this at
idle when the engine is hot.
This was explained to me by don Rivera at airflow
performance, he designed the bendix injection system and is the guy who
designed the airflow performance system as well so he knows what he is talking
about. This same reason is responsible for the hot start issues in our fuel
injection set ups.
This is normal...
Randy Snarr
N694RS
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Berni Breen <bbreen@cableone.net>
wrote:
> Whenever my GAMI injected IO360 powered
Lancair 360 is really heated up, following a flight and only a short time to
cool down (less than 30 minutes) and restarted, the engine will surge during
idle and taxi. Again this only happens when the engine is hot, has been
shut down and restarted. The issue never occurs when the airplane
(engine) is started for the first time on any given day (super hot day or super
cold day).
>
> Since I feel the issue is fuel related I
tried leaning and use of the electronic fuel pump during idle and taxi with
zero improvement. The engine runs very badly with a pronounced
surge. If I get on the runway and give the engine full throttle, the
engine will develop good power and lift off as if there were no issue...that is
until yesterday when the engine just about quit 2000' into my takeoff
roll. I aborted the takeoff, did some high speed taxiing and then took
off 3 minutes later (no shutdown).
>
> Today I took off, climbed aggressively to get
the engine good and hot and landed. I shutdown, let the engine sit for
about 10 minutes, restarted and once again experienced the surge during idle
and or taxiing. I removed the upper and lower cowl but am still not able
to identify the cause of my issue.
>
> Clearly I have an issue that is caused by
heat affecting fuel. All of my fuel lines are heat shielded. Can
anyone offer suggestions or ideas that I can try?
>
> Berni
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