X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:07:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with SMTP id 5474430 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:25:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.218; envelope-from=dudewanarace@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm20.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 19:24:25 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.44] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 19:24:25 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1044.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 19:24:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 304018.69675.bm@omp1044.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39280 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2012 19:24:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NACkWEidTUQp0AEzLiYLKVLf7JAdx0GwrCQpgdm8TB0+H7xPXtN7qrRyRvtxtnFFSB/ktsx5yB3Zf4dmVnoCT4D02O7dMnJpDF6ww8lv9oAky4F1IhvPWixlNfoGXJXx+mGbVvDIrk/LzK0dd1cY0YgjhCPamMPMXciiOkwhw8g=; X-YMail-OSG: _lF6fgQVM1nB8a2mOmIsJLwa9n.9367M5d_NpyLpftGYNxH eaEjjKCqCINfIYFB7Y6wUn5BeXwdpzxOGI4eFxC8V_TSXiAghIKCv3WXdJLN 5Ywu1ATRXAABKrCLBp5CF5evyjSN3fJ0MCZF6ucIE3rc5Vq6bomY_kRqqtf1 zmZLnDc8W95K.JzOmaIui2IMyM0mFUKnC_7yjqO0IgP80gfq7OjIfeBvMKo4 hScCo900wpmmrY24MuU5IIUIw2ZBHCLiy2sL_WfZcxbnP4pAwlbFuh.8CMJk x1QLBQ1OoeR.1hdTsdECY1FJMQY1VTL1GMtfmum5YJQMCMdQ.dlmgl9lso78 CPr7BAs2rXg_b8nhwIe4Ja2ykH7XhXPoaRHSngnrSHoOopaq3OrmpHybmmmg u4owh95mqTto4PENo.cJ7yLZPampw8z0lHbtlUJ9H5wN1OCtds86LR3lH2be nmq4c8zZrzYbbuxcExRF19zAVrXo4yIETfx0WcIjor5VjxDf9Dw6wdzdJ3em KExCNWO5vlbFIzHMV Received: from [69.243.254.165] by web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:24:24 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 X-Original-Message-ID: <1333999464.36654.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom McNerney Reply-To: Tom McNerney Subject: RE: [LML] Engine "surge" issue X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="500512351-1611952800-1333999464=:36654" --500512351-1611952800-1333999464=:36654 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would offer this advice..=0A=A0=0AThe fuel may be boiling in other places= , other than the injector lines..=0A=A0=0AMy airplane was converted from ca= rbureted to fuel injected some time ago.=A0 A dukes boost pump was added on= the engine side of the firewall.=0A=A0=0AAfter shutdown and it heat soaked= for a bit, a bubble would form in the boost pump.=A0 When=A0the pump was t= urned on, it would essentially run dry and not move any fuel.=A0 (Verified = by fuel flow and pressure, plus you could hear it zing up to rpm)=A0 So, th= e quick fix was to crank the engine and the mechanical pump would pull the = bubble past the boost pump, then leading to a normal hot start.=A0 But, onc= e started fuel pressure would be very erratic and often low, combined with = engine stumble.=A0 It took a few minutes of running to clear the system of = the air and normal fuel pressure would return. 25psi+=0A=A0=0AThis boost pu= mp was in an "airbox" with cooling air provided by a blast tube off the rea= r baffle.=A0 In flight that theory worked, but not when parked.=A0 I think = the box itself was the main cause of the heat soak problem, along with the = orientation of the pump/lines.=0A=A0=0ASolution:=0AMoved pump/lines to a po= int where a bubble would migrate uphill through the boost pump to the mecha= nical pump. (Then you could always push the bubble with the electrc=A0pump,= if you got one)=A0 Also removed boost pump "airbox" and only use a cool ai= r blast tube for cooling.=A0 Let the heat escape in to the cowl when parked= .=A0 Haven't tested this yet, as still finished up V2.0 firewall forward st= uff.. :)=0A=A0=0AMoral of the story: notice location of all fuel system par= ts and relative heat sources, moving and not moving.=0A=A0=0A=A0Tom McNerne= y=0Awww.N54SG.com (hopefully lots of updates soon) --500512351-1611952800-1333999464=:36654 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would offer th= is advice..
 
The fuel may be boiling in other pla= ces, other than the injector lines..
 
My airplane= was converted from carbureted = to fuel injected some time ago.  A dukes boost pump was added on the e= ngine side of the firewall.
 
After shutdown and i= t heat soaked for a bit, a bubble would form in the boost pump.  When&= nbsp;the pump was turned on, it would essenti= ally run dry and not move any fuel.  (Verified by fuel f= low and pressure, plus you could hear it zing up to rpm)  So, the quic= k fix was to crank the engine and the mechanical pump would pull the bubble= past the boost pump, then leading to a normal hot start.  But, once started fuel pressure would be very erratic and often low, combined with e= ngine stumble.  It took a few minutes of running to clear the system o= f the air and normal fuel pressure would return. 25psi+
 
This boost pump was in an "a= irbox" with cooling air provided by a blast tube off the rear baffle= .  In flight that theory worked, but not when parked.  I think th= e box itself was the main cause of the heat soak problem, along with the or= ientation of the pump/lines.
 
Solution:
Moved pump/lines to a point where a bubble would migrate uphill through th= e boost pump to the mechanical pump. (Then you could always push the bubble= with the electrc pump, if you got one)=   Also removed boost pump "airb= ox" and only use a cool air blast tube for cooling.  Let the he= at escape in to the cowl when parked.  Haven't tested this yet, as still= finished up V2.0 firewall forward stuff.. :)
 
Mo= ral of the story: notice location of all fuel system parts and relative hea= t sources, moving and not moving.
 
 Tom McNe= rney
www.N54SG.com (hopefull= y lots of updates soon)
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