X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.72] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with SMTP id 5474077 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:03:24 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.72; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.68] by nm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.48] by tm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 15:02:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1048.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2012 15:02:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 105032.82602.bm@omp1048.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91253 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2012 15:02:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Cc:To:Mime-Version:X-Mailer; b=gllMp5Ea10Y1RxtyK/ixcst3jpxXzhxFlZsyUBQwE0pqa7Cdgrlq/YMGbvPrCVNbgfZJFmYvwA+Hv2kbM6PHYp/t448RI2DaIzYUehurWkUzDnN9mSyn4iit/oPYrLJwYDFMcLIzDmW5PwjoD50y6gSQ7MwtYiTASa1nKQeFedg= ; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: w.7.fK8VM1n1QyKBLLeeEPxEGYlHw0IvzwYvjRWpA2cGW7i mD1Rdfdq7eg0.9Dev9n9cFMN60DckxnXDeQJTqQJ_oYG2WjqNWFfRGCCPLIl 3STwZb_OXk_84fJSLW2uQ.hkqkc.UQ.QkA4hnUQVIDDJDGgD4.NUZ5yq9LkC cDLa90toSMhGDyvbLaA1HhkGYN0v8q0Oy76tq3snaLBFIPNB8MvaYozVY7v. _KpHOPnI3s1mjbYUbmgj2OOgafww4fheMwix7Gh8D8qnl6hPPcx6a3kkS8DZ cpuBlpc9UdKfeK33JGOh_ZH63rDHFQK2WupktQnoAzlqwkxTA5pnyBwxNJwN mekCdPRx3MmrTFBIsqJnWL1WYkylk21_tTe4VyWaMxt8fG9LEhEdCO5wi4RM FQHKCNM6IO4Ph9XEm6_24bjsPOP9TB0aJ2GIWENTF9sa8HA.7 X-Yahoo-SMTP: tg4YEXeswBAq79ZTs5A79J5zDY9lAVNV Received: from [192.168.220.98] (randylsnarr@69.169.190.15 with xymcookie) by smtp102-mob.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Apr 2012 08:02:50 -0700 PDT Subject: Re: [LML] Engine "surge" issue References: From: Randylsnarr Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 09:02:38 -0600 X-Original-Cc: "lml@lancaironline.net" X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A334) Berni, 100 octane fuel boils at a very low temp. Fuel is boiling in the inje= ction lines when the engine is hot when you are idling. When you are above i= dle there is enough fuel traversing the fuel lines to keep them under the bo= iling point which is why you only get this this at idle when the engine is h= ot.=20 This was explained to me by don Rivera at airflow performance, he designed t= he bendix injection system and is the guy who designed the airflow performan= ce system as well so he knows what he is talking about. This same reason is r= esponsible for the hot start issues in our fuel injection set ups. This is normal... Randy Snarr=20 N694RS Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM, Berni Breen wrote: > Whenever my GAMI injected IO360 powered Lancair 360 is really heated up, f= ollowing a flight and only a short time to cool down (less than 30 minutes) a= nd restarted, the engine will surge during idle and taxi. Again this only h= appens when the engine is hot, has been shut down and restarted. The issue n= ever occurs when the airplane (engine) is started for the first time on any g= iven day (super hot day or super cold day). >=20 > Since I feel the issue is fuel related I tried leaning and use of the elec= tronic fuel pump during idle and taxi with zero improvement. The engine run= s very badly with a pronounced surge. If I get on the runway and give the e= ngine full throttle, the engine will develop good power and lift off as if t= here were no issue...that is until yesterday when the engine just about quit= 2000' into my takeoff roll. I aborted the takeoff, did some high speed tax= iing and then took off 3 minutes later (no shutdown). >=20 > Today I took off, climbed aggressively to get the engine good and hot and l= anded. I shutdown, let the engine sit for about 10 minutes, restarted and o= nce again experienced the surge during idle and or taxiing. I removed the u= pper and lower cowl but am still not able to identify the cause of my issue.= >=20 > Clearly I have an issue that is caused by heat affecting fuel. All of my f= uel lines are heat shielded. Can anyone offer suggestions or ideas that I c= an try? >=20 > Berni