X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 08:08:48 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-db01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.95] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5398473 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:43:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.95; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.195]) by imr-db01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q1FFgtXH017664 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:42:55 -0500 Received: from [10.7.74.208] (mobile-166-137-140-177.mycingular.net [166.137.140.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id E89ADE0000CC; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:42:54 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-39-973540502 X-Original-Message-Id: <4F23C81C-27D4-433F-883F-F40D3C664EB8@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8L1) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 4P X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:42:50 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:461565568:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c34f3bd27e38a9 X-AOL-IP: 166.137.140.177 --Apple-Mail-39-973540502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The bellows was the original design. The issue is not bellows or pressurizat= ion but is one of aileron system design. AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:24 AM, John Hafen wrote: > I'm fine I'm sure. It's just more sensitive in pitch than roll. I'm used= to it and don't think about it any more. But when I let other pilots fly, i= t throws them off a little. >=20 > Just wondered if there was some new fangled thing to equalize the forces. = =20 >=20 > The stick doesn't get any stiffer as I gain altitude. So I'm sure I'm fin= e. >=20 > Thanks. Happy VDay to you! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Craig Berland. wrote: >=20 > Yes, my plane has similar traits. I have attached a picture of the =E2=80=9C= new=E2=80=9D kit aileron seal and a rubber bellows which I think will fix th= e problem. I have purchased the bellows but have not got around to installi= ng them. A lot of IV-P drivers with the new flat plate sliding seal have com= plained about high aileron stick force. > Craig Berland > N7VG >=20 >=20 > I just purchased a 4P > It only has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging stage > I took it up 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got really > heave and stiff that even the auto pilot would not control it > While descending the Controlls became gradually lighter and normal > Anybody had the same experience? > =20 > Tony Ketelaars > =20 >=20 >=20 > <100_2625.jpeg>-- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l >=20 --Apple-Mail-39-973540502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
The bellows was the original design. Th= e issue is not bellows or pressurization but is one of aileron system  = design.

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On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:= 24 AM, John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast= .net> wrote:

I= 'm fine I'm sure.  It's just more sensitive in pitch than roll.  I= 'm used to it and don't think about it any more.  But when I let other p= ilots fly, it throws them off a little.

Just wondered if t= here was some new fangled thing to equalize the forces.  
The stick doesn't get any stiffer as I gain altitude.  So I= 'm sure I'm fine.

Thanks.  Happy VDay to you!<= /div>



On Feb 14, 2012, at 11= :12 AM, Craig Berland. wrote:

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Yes, my plane has similar= traits. I have attached a picture of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D kit aileron s= eal and a rubber bellows which I think will fix the problem.  I have pu= rchased the bellows but have not got around to installing them. A lot of IV-= P drivers with the new flat plate sliding seal have complained about high ai= leron stick force.
Craig Berland<= /o:p>
N7VG



 I just purchased a 4P
 It onl= y has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging stage
 I took it up= 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got really
 heave a= nd stiff that even the auto pilot would not control it
 While descen= ding the Controlls became gradually lighter and normal
 Anybody had t= he same experience?
 
 Tony Ketelaars
 

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