Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #60715
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ceramic exhaust coatings - careful y'all
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:34:50 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
That data makes it pretty clear.
I had a mechanical engineer/metallurgist friend who was a pilot at one point.   His comment on the equipment was "Airplanes barely work.  Helicopters don't work"   I think this exhaust situation is an example of "barely work".   Those margins are really thin.

So does this also mean that it is better to paint stainless black than leave it shiny?

Colyn

On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Frederick Moreno wrote:

Insulation wrapped on exhaust pipes and coatings that reduce the surface thermal emissivity both raise exhaust pipe temperature. 
 
So what? 
 
At these temperatures, the strength of the  321 stainless steel generally used in exhaust pipes is dropping like a rock - small temperature increases result in big strength decreases - and creep resistance drops even faster.
 
Oxidation is also increasing dramatically with temperature. 
 
In short, the exhaust pipes will fail much,  much sooner due to cracking or wall thinning.  If you are driving a turbo, you run a double risk because of the high pressures inside the exhaust pipes upstream of the turbo that stress tubing walls more and create blow torches when cracks form. 
 
In short, don't do it unless you pledge to inspect the pipes more often, like every time the cowl is off, and unwrap the pipes for a very careful inspection at EVERY annual. 
 
Data below.  Out of curiosity I made an Excel plot, attached.  It makes the point even better than the table below.   Creep strength virtually zero at 800C = 1432F
 
Sorry 'bout that.
 
Fred Moreno
 

2. Properties at Elevated Temperatures 
Short Time Elevated Temperature Tensile Strength

Temperature, oC600650700750800850
Tensile Strength, MPa390329280230190140

Creep data 
Stress to develop a creep rate of 1% in the indicated time at the indicated temperature.

TimeTemperature oC550600650700800
10 000 hStress MPa180100704010
100 000 hStress MPa1208050255

Creep Rupture Stress

TimeTemperature oC500600650700800
1 000 hStress MPa2701801407030
10 000 hStress MPa240130905010
100 000 hStress MPa2009050155
 
 
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Ceramic exhaust coatings
 
One other thought, I have heard both sides of this argument before as well. I also heard it is nearly impossible to weld / repair pipes with this coating. I found a solution that solved the problem cheaply without making the pipes more difficult to weld. I wrapped my entire exhaust system with hot rod exhaust wrap. I bought it at the local auto parts store in the 1" width. Spruce sells it as well. I tested the stuff with a torch in the hangar on my hand and was amazed how well it insulates. I have 2 layers in some very hot places on the pipes. In addition to reducing the inner cowl temps, It also tames the vibration of the pipes and reduces noise. 
Cheap, relatively light and effective...
Fwiw.

<321 SST strength vs temp.xlsx>--
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