X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:48:12 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr6.networksolutionsemail.com ([205.178.146.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5207311 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:23:53 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.178.146.56; envelope-from=Tom@wellswoodturning.com Received: from cm-omr14 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr6.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pAKCNIoC020381 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:23:18 -0500 X-Authenticated-IP: 72.12.73.183 Received: from [72.12.73.183] ([72.12.73.183:59711] helo=TomPC) by cm-omr14 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 7D/92-24418-531F8CE4; Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:23:18 -0500 From: "Tom" X-Original-To: Subject: Window Bonding X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 07:23:17 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <000101cca77f$2f27e290$8d77a7b0$@wellswoodturning.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcynfywmvACqw827T+Cpc7Ylck6jpg== Content-Language: en-us I installed two windows in my ES with Hysol 9394. I followed the instructions explicitly and after cure (14 days)there were no air gaps or voids in the bond area. As I was removing the clamps after cure that held the window in place I noticed small areas near where I pushed on the fasteners debonded. By pushing on the fiberglass around the window from the inside I could see the Hysol debond from the plexi glass. I ended up removing both windows by debonding them using this method. I had been using Hysol 9394 as that at one point in time was the Hysol being sold by Lancair. After reviewing the spec sheets of Hysol 9360 vs 9394 the major difference noted was the peel strength of the 9394 (5 Lb/in) vs the 9360 (50 Lb/in) per the data sheets. I did a crude test using 9394 and 9360 bonding a piece of prexiglass to a piece of fiberglass and allowing it to cure for 14 days. I found that the plexiglass could be removed from both simply by flexing the fiberglass although the 9360 seemed to be slightly better bond. So...before I bond these windows in again I would like to be sure of what to use. Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon? The supplier of the Lancair windows uses MIL-S-8802 to bond windows to aluminum and indicated they thought some builders had used it to bond windows to fiberglass. They also indicated they used Weld-on 40 to bond fiberglass to the edge of the windows with good results. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Blue Skies, Tom