X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:06:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5199576 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:05:40 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=N66mg@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.202]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id pAEI4pP8018271 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:51 -0500 Received: from core-dsc005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.81]) by mtaomg-db04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AE739E000094 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: N66mg@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <28848.375898e4.3bf2b242@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:04:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: What would you do..... X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_28848.375898e4.3bf2b242_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [68.5.178.192] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:358814496:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33ca4ec158434be0 --part1_28848.375898e4.3bf2b242_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to be a newbe soon with a L-IV...I think that if some of you guys that know him and like him, then it's your responsibility to sit him down and talk to him in a real honest and caring way...Most people will appreciate your concern for their safety and well being, because I really would...I have over 1000 hours in a Glasair and I will take any and all suggestion when its my turn to leave the ground with ( Charlie K.) in my L-IV...I had several people giving me hints when I first flew the Glasair, and it's not nearly as quick as the L-IV...After reading about all the recorded accidents, it's all our concerns...anyway that's My 2 cents Michael Giardino n66mg In a message dated 11/14/2011 9:23:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, vtailjeff@aol.com writes: I agree. Be proactive before he gets hurt or worse. Jeff Sent from my iPad On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Charley Brown <_browncc1@verizon.net_ (mailto:browncc1@verizon.net) > wrote: If it's that bad, and he's just about to (a) kill himself and (b) create another spot on the aviation safety record, and someone responsible has already tried to reason with him, then it's time to be a rat: 1. Notify his insurance company, if they can be identified (and he even has insurance), and 2. Notify the local FSDO. If the airplane is a flying emergency, they can probably find something on a ramp check and then do a little negotiating to get the guy to bring it up to par or get rid of it. On Nov 13, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: Today I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an issue he has with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p. I am not calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he can take your advices. This plane has tons of issues, as a matter of fact the Cfii told me that from the last 11 flights he had, 10 had emergencies, like engine out, total loss of electrical power etc etc. The plane has an OP technologies (old setup) avionics who is not working right etc. Above all this the owner is a low time pilot, and according to the CFII he is flying the plane with 2 hands on the stick because he doesn't know how to use the trim. So when I was hearing this I was shocked and told him that he should first get the plane checked out by somebody like Charlie Kohler and than fix it and than sell it. The CFII told me that he already told him this but that he was stubborn and doesn't want to sell..... Now this is a next statistic waiting to happen and I really feel bad, so what would you do? Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 hours with other planes lol) On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Russell" <_n2aa@att.net_ (mailto:n2aa@att.net) > wrote: Originally I tried to be clever with installing mine in the copilots naca vent. This did not work, we got erroneous numbers. The probe needs to be out completely in the air to give you proper information. Mine is now installed on my legacy on the bottom side of the stub wing in front of the spar about 6 inches away from the fuselage. This gave me easy access through the access cover inside the cabin. Or easier said, almost in front of the spar inner bolt. In that position we were receiving accurate temperatures and information. Regards Russell Steiner Legacy N2AA G900 panel = --part1_28848.375898e4.3bf2b242_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going = to be a=20 newbe soon with a L-IV...I think that if some of you guys that know him and= like=20 him, then it's your responsibility to sit him down and talk to him in a rea= l=20 honest and caring way...Most people will appreciate your concern for their= =20 safety and well being, because I really would...I have over 1000 hours in a= =20 Glasair and I will take any and all suggestion when its my turn to leave th= e=20 ground with ( Charlie K.) in my L-IV...I had several people giving me hints= when=20 I first flew the Glasair, and it's not nearly as quick as the L-IV...After= =20 reading about all the recorded accidents, it's all our concerns...anyway th= at's=20 My 2 cents
Michael=20 Giardino
n66mg
In a message dated 11/14/2011 9:23:18 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
=
I agree. Be proactive before he gets hurt or worse.

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:44 AM, Charley Brown <browncc1@verizon.net>=20 wrote:

If it's that bad, and he's just about to (a) kill himself and (b)= =20 create another spot on the aviation safety record, and someone responsi= ble=20 has already tried to reason with him, then it's time to be a rat:
1.  Notify his insurance company, if they can be identified (= and=20 he even has insurance), and
2.  Notify the local FSDO.  If the airplane is a flying= =20 emergency, they can probably find something on a ramp check and then do= a=20 little negotiating to get the guy to bring it up to par or get rid of= =20 it.

On Nov 13, 2011, at 7:22 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote:
Today I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an = issue=20 he has with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p.

I am not calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he= can=20 take your advices. 

This plane has tons of issues, as a matter of fact the Cfii told m= e=20 that from the last 11 flights he had, 10 had emergencies, like engine o= ut,=20 total loss of electrical power etc etc.

The plane has an OP technologies (old setup) avionics who is not= =20 working right etc.

Above all this the owner is a low time pilot, and according to the= CFII=20 he is flying the plane with 2 hands on the stick because he doesn't kno= w how=20 to use the trim.

So when I was hearing this I was shocked and told him that he shou= ld=20 first get the plane checked out by somebody like Charlie Kohler and tha= n fix=20 it and than sell it. 

The CFII told me that he already told him this but that he was stu= bborn=20 and doesn't want to sell.....

Now this is a next statistic waiting to happen and I really feel b= ad,=20 so what would you do?



Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 hours with other planes= =20 lol)

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Russell" <n2aa@att.net> wrote:

 

 

Originally I tried to be clever with installing = mine in=20 the copilots naca vent. This did not work, we got erroneous numbers. = The=20 probe needs to be out completely in the air to give you proper=20 information.

 

Mine is now installed on my legacy on the bottom= side=20 of the stub wing in front of the spar about 6 inches away from the=20 fuselage. This gave me easy access through the access cover inside th= e=20 cabin. Or easier said, almost in front of the spar inner bolt. In tha= t=20 position we were receiving accurate temperatures and=20 information.

 

Regards

Russell Steiner

Legacy N2AA

G900=20 panel


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