X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:44:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.134] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with SMTP id 5198194 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:39:39 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.134; envelope-from=paulhershorin@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2011 15:39:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2011 15:39:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Nov 2011 15:39:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 353660.10315.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79512 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Nov 2011 15:39:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=X4Z0dqg1ffU5eGbuL0J2ZB6J6FsSjUFblJWvRTM6h4zPE3YN06RntSE5vQVwH/Dom3Nb3HkW1bfiq4okhtruNV7muIT7mu0g+G62yDuKcqFdZ2S/mIuhXtBhXXQWc0Co56qye+SEboLOukMVYZxOy6HN+OkPvukCbr2UWYF7B9Y=; X-YMail-OSG: 8ilHRBAVM1nUAqaESBw.iecwVr98qXimQTEbZ95x4LsXf0P ctXdjCixxEBn.1_mjZ4Lhjvzs89N6TklBOVWBvr5Ty_sjxDzY_fKClMUO4i_ FRrKu8QRXlpnOmBbnxCELfacPzyn4BsI0CV9UEzx5lfSAv5Qm0jwlgv7vhlD kh.LDYx8y3g6kTUFV8kY8UlCRSbzEF36Xxi81YxCAlDqc5zteZKukst8iwAO QR361mhzkw3XWBlXRo13JElkOJqHN7.o91Mf5Im4LxFFWZYfNsbRUNl4634E UVcm9oKyaS0PF1CMDvhCEaWbcxoq7kg0HuDK1IDq_MasXJRGsVIfwgUwdbrN ZjmjKqLPJOPWcJgnmfBCPEIC2q08HGU6q2jxzN90XN3AAG.HYBabIrxtdm__ WwqhjAll_aOvRJ15ZMiHMcqHPXy2AvIBUl31tjafeR7L9OG4ah.SZmCTwwtc 47Cq9y5PUCnLQXp_fTZLkkeYFSJ2s6YklyxJvM93qxtdtQuqNMRLRw.0Qd3. J.cXugNT4rGEypHDSBl8F9YQ- Received: from [98.64.90.4] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:39:05 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.11 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.325013 X-Original-Message-ID: <1321198745.78495.YahooMailClassic@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:39:05 -0800 (PST) From: PAUL HERSHORIN Subject: Re: [LML] What would you do..... X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1003848085-1321198745=:78495" --0-1003848085-1321198745=:78495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If this is the same individual I also know this individual--he has about 20= 0 hours total time.=A0 Every Tom Dick and Harry has worked on this plane th= at have said that they are Lancair experts only to take his $$$$$.=A0 He is= a nice individual that is way over his head into this plane.=A0 I am sure = that he will be a statistic.=A0 To date I believe he has never flown the pl= ane by himself--I question the ability of some of =A0the individuals=A0that= have flown with him only because I do not know them--CFII have high perfor= mance time but is it faster than a 4p?=A0 I would say that a person should = not be flying a Lancair until they have 1,000 hours+ flying experience.=A0 = This is just my opinion.=A0 I hope that he parks this plane or sells it unt= il he has more experience.=A0 I must agree that this plane needs a total in= spection including the engine--how can someone put the turbo's on wrong if = this is what actually happened? =A0 Paul Hershorin 360---471LA --- On Sun, 11/13/11, Ronald STEVENS wrote: From: Ronald STEVENS Subject: [LML] What would you do..... To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011, 8:22 AM Today I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an issue he = has with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p. I am not calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he can take= your advices.=A0 This plane has tons of issues, as a matter of fact the Cfii told me that fr= om the last 11 flights he had, 10 had emergencies, like engine out, total l= oss of electrical power etc etc. The plane has an OP technologies (old setup) avionics who is not working ri= ght etc. Above all this the owner is a low time pilot, and according to the CFII he = is flying the plane with 2 hands on the stick because he doesn't know how t= o use the trim. So when I was hearing this I was shocked and told him that he should first = get the plane checked out by somebody like Charlie Kohler and than fix it a= nd than sell it.=A0 The CFII told me that he already told him this but that he was stubborn and= doesn't want to sell..... Now this is a next statistic waiting to happen and I really feel bad, so wh= at would you do? Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 hours with other planes lol) On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Russell" wrote: =A0 =A0 Originally I tried to be clever with installing mine in the copilots naca v= ent. This did not work, we got erroneous numbers. The probe needs to be out= completely in the air to give you proper information. =A0 Mine is now installed on my legacy on the bottom side of the stub wing in f= ront of the spar about 6 inches away from the fuselage. This gave me easy a= ccess through the access cover inside the cabin. Or easier said, almost in = front of the spar inner bolt. In that position we were receiving accurate t= emperatures and information. =A0 Regards Russell Steiner Legacy N2AA G900 panel --0-1003848085-1321198745=:78495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If this is the same individual I also kn= ow this individual--he has about 200 hours total time.  Every Tom Dick= and Harry has worked on this plane that have said that they are Lancair ex= perts only to take his $$$$$.  He is a nice individual that is way ove= r his head into this plane.  I am sure that he will be a statistic.&nb= sp; To date I believe he has never flown the plane by himself--I question t= he ability of some of  the individuals that have flown with him o= nly because I do not know them--CFII have high performance time but is it f= aster than a 4p?  I would say that a person should not be flying a Lan= cair until they have 1,000 hours+ flying experience.  This is just my = opinion.  I hope that he parks this plane or sells it until he has mor= e experience.  I must agree that this plane needs a total inspection including the engine--how can someone put the turbo's on wrong if this is = what actually happened?
 
Paul Hershorin
360---471LA

--- On Sun, 11/13/11, Ronald STEVENS <Rona= ld@sdc.com> wrote:

From: Ronald STEVENS <Ronald@sdc.com>
Su= bject: [LML] What would you do.....
To: lml@lancaironline.n= et
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2011, 8:22 AM

Today I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an issu= e he has with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p.

I am not calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he can= take your advices. 

This plane has tons of issues, as a matter of fact the Cfii told me th= at from the last 11 flights he had, 10 had emergencies, like engine out, to= tal loss of electrical power etc etc.

The plane has an OP technologies (old setup) avionics who is not worki= ng right etc.

Above all this the owner is a low time pilot, and according to the CFI= I he is flying the plane with 2 hands on the stick because he doesn't know = how to use the trim.

So when I was hearing this I was shocked and told him that he should f= irst get the plane checked out by somebody like Charlie Kohler and than fix= it and than sell it. 

The CFII told me that he already told him this but that he was stubbor= n and doesn't want to sell.....

Now this is a next statistic waiting to happen and I really feel bad, = so what would you do?



Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 hours with other planes lol= )

On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Russell" <n2aa@att.net> wrote:

 

 

Originally I tried to be clever with instal= ling mine in the copilots naca vent. This did not work, we got erroneous nu= mbers. The probe needs to be out completely in the air to give you proper i= nformation.

 

Mine is now installed on my legacy on the b= ottom side of the stub wing in front of the spar about 6 inches away from t= he fuselage. This gave me easy access through the access cover inside the c= abin. Or easier said, almost in front of the spar inner bolt. In that posit= ion we were receiving accurate temperatures and information.

 

Regards

Russell Steiner

Legacy N2AA

G900 panel

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