X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:44:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5198441 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:50:47 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.62; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Gl5VuNzNKiZGYwSavrRfHVTenNscGInI9PfuSMa5nIQAT4DrddlpNwZdQMdK9q5J; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.223.93.24] (helo=[192.168.1.25]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1RPhwK-0003sQ-GP for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:50:12 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-88--683571906 Subject: Re: [LML] What would you do..... X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:50:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <468E4E8A-0EB3-45C2-AC2E-0E9E9D84FC16@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940fb3158d72af70cd757ffb796561c352b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.223.93.24 --Apple-Mail-88--683571906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii - Get Jeff's accident presentation and invite him over for dinner and = give it to him? - take a few similar situations that ended badly and go over the = details? - if that fails, arrange a ramp check? so far I have not regretted any negative things I said to pilots at risk = but I have regretted not saying a few things. telling someone to sell their plane can be tough. but telling someone = clearly the steps to being able to operate safely should be hard to = argue with. ....and may ultimately lead to the same place. Colyn On Nov 13, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: Today I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an issue = he has with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p. I am not calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he can = take your advices.=20 This plane has tons of issues, as a matter of fact the Cfii told me that = from the last 11 flights he had, 10 had emergencies, like engine out, = total loss of electrical power etc etc. The plane has an OP technologies (old setup) avionics who is not working = right etc. Above all this the owner is a low time pilot, and according to the CFII = he is flying the plane with 2 hands on the stick because he doesn't know = how to use the trim. So when I was hearing this I was shocked and told him that he should = first get the plane checked out by somebody like Charlie Kohler and than = fix it and than sell it.=20 The CFII told me that he already told him this but that he was stubborn = and doesn't want to sell..... Now this is a next statistic waiting to happen and I really feel bad, so = what would you do? Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 hours with other planes lol) On Nov 11, 2011, at 2:31 PM, "Russell" wrote: > =20 > =20 > Originally I tried to be clever with installing mine in the copilots = naca vent. This did not work, we got erroneous numbers. The probe needs = to be out completely in the air to give you proper information. > =20 > Mine is now installed on my legacy on the bottom side of the stub wing = in front of the spar about 6 inches away from the fuselage. This gave me = easy access through the access cover inside the cabin. Or easier said, = almost in front of the spar inner bolt. In that position we were = receiving accurate temperatures and information. > =20 > Regards > Russell Steiner > Legacy N2AA > G900 panel --Apple-Mail-88--683571906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii - Get = Jeff's accident presentation and invite him over for dinner and give it = to him?
- take a few similar situations that ended badly and go over = the details?

- if that fails, arrange a ramp = check?

so far I have not regretted any negative = things I said to pilots at risk but I have regretted not saying a few = things.

telling someone to sell their plane can = be tough.   but telling someone clearly the steps to being able to = operate safely should be hard to argue with.   ....and may = ultimately lead to the same = place.

Colyn

On Nov 13, = 2011, at 8:22 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote:

Today = I spoke with a CFII who was asking me for help regarding an issue he has = with a pilot who owns a Lancair 4p.

I am not = calling names, so in case he is a follower of the LML, he can take your = advices. 

This plane has tons of issues, = as a matter of fact the Cfii told me that from the last 11 flights he = had, 10 had emergencies, like engine out, total loss of electrical power = etc etc.

The plane has an OP technologies (old = setup) avionics who is not working right = etc.

Above all this the owner is a low time = pilot, and according to the CFII he is flying the plane with 2 hands on = the stick because he doesn't know how to use the = trim.

So when I was hearing this I was shocked = and told him that he should first get the plane checked out by somebody = like Charlie Kohler and than fix it and than sell = it. 

The CFII told me that he already told = him this but that he was stubborn and doesn't want to = sell.....

Now this is a next statistic waiting = to happen and I really feel bad, so what would you = do?



Ronald (110 hours Lancair 4p, 1400 = hours with other planes lol)

On Nov 11, 2011, = at 2:31 PM, "Russell" <n2aa@att.net> = wrote:

 

 

Originally= I tried to be clever with installing mine in the copilots naca vent. = This did not work, we got erroneous numbers. The probe needs to be out = completely in the air to give you proper information.

 

Mine is = now installed on my legacy on the bottom side of the stub wing in front = of the spar about 6 inches away from the fuselage. This gave me easy = access through the access cover inside the cabin. Or easier said, almost = in front of the spar inner bolt. In that position we were receiving = accurate temperatures and information.

 

Regards

Russell = Steiner

Legacy = N2AA

G900 = panel


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