Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #58631
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Stall Speeds, Wing Cuffs, Vortex Generators for Lancair 4p
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:55 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
My speeds are similar.   I would caution that this is test pilot stuff.   
I indexed my wings also.  The result was that the plane became ambivalent as to which direction it was going to roll off suddenly in the stall.
We also found that moving the stall strip which a bit down from the leading edge would reduce the wall but increase stall speed 10 knots.

On Jun 16, 2011, at 7:24 AM, John Hafen wrote:

Ronald:

My IVP stalls clean at 76 kts clean, and 65 kts in landing configuration.  But I never get that slow.  Or even close.  I fly downwind at 130, a very rounded base / transition to final at 120, and approach at 110 on final, slowing down to 100 over the fence.

One of the things my bird did when I was doing the initial testing was a 90 degree snap roll to the right when I stalled it (And I mean Snap!).  From there, it's pretty easy to get into a spin.

I fly a 1500 foot pattern for a little extra safety, knowing that any stall even at that altitude would be un-recoverable.

Eventually, I had the wings "indexed," and ended up lowering the trailing edge of the right wing slightly perhaps 3/16th of an inch.  It now stalls straight ahead and I think my stall speeds were lowered slightly because of that exercise.  But it is still a squirrely stall that seems very unnatural compared to other planes I've flown.  it does this weird yaw thing, maybe because of the small tail.

A 4P is not your father's Olsmobile, or a Cessna.  I's not a good plane to go slow and low for sight seeing.   And 4P's are all different.  Not all of them are square.  You're smart to test it out before you buy to find a good one.

All of this said, I LOVE my plane.  I love that it is fast.  You just have to know the machine to stay safe.

John Hafen
IVP 413AJ 300 hours

On Jun 15, 2011, at 5:24 PM, RONALD STEVENS wrote:

I know this is a sensitive subject but I just got a flight test review back from a plane that I am thinking to buy and was a bit surprised about the stall speeds that were in there.

What kind of stall speed (clean/50%/Dirty) do you have in your 4p? And were you ever thinking of having it improved by Vortex Generators or Wing cuff?

Thanks -- Ronald


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