X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.53.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5019102 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:10:33 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.53.194; envelope-from=chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.52.192] by nm10.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2011 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.133] by tm5.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2011 17:09:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Jun 2011 17:09:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 293275.79698.bm@omp1016.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 14357 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2011 17:09:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hyy/WblNpBk3RTiZl+XQoM7RXQi2zZJuP1apCaWBDMB3avVmj4wSzYbkiozuZZVbTUa9BuEFnn/jxThwKS7CwZyBEGSn0IJkeYnVAHP8FZ0w1YImKX0YUAAv4qFZfbB53WJ3PkhpwLcJg/WuVTxMOTaFseBkwM3wydSK9ejq9Y0=; X-Original-Message-ID: <645939.9813.qm@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: af53CTAVM1lmgEJwVwWn91bFLOgEQDbGdLIDI8XYF.5eSv0 19eLGvKMKtpAdtewBDFGInMPCwr3_ala8o6l1yfeQe.cTBu4mXukMKzLtQu9 ka3EazlXAgArFhpK_3WjUxJp_4UHHXup.zALDZ5gWA4IiSDUHiE7_EG29xGZ 1JJFWwuwX6Hr7yzfyldeSMFxon.prbOf2KntPVXXHh_UHn0fj8MsYmzAAmPk 7iO31ZxXdvLUFkG8OcFMmHL9g3xx4VPc.Ifqnk5M2M0fraInYdjoUo8672VI jYuefVCy3qZjMOoTpSjkaL61aG26XraCf_t0J5Cbqm64Fdbxl9vfenJBRE83 tVYfyPmUm8d1cgKVf0n3f3ZEjrHV7z3sKjXn0C70Q.4Wkt9fW2Lo5ZKDAE3K F6juKTRcnvAIaIe_e_Y8hzmS._InUL3gARq0Y7QE6t76f89Qox42yN5mVnEi Tt2dEMpw0 Received: from [12.130.164.194] by web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:09:57 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Reply-To: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: N numbers X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1236063846-1307984997=:9813" --0-1236063846-1307984997=:9813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It would appear this reg has been updated=C2=A0in recent times, in particul= ar for experimentals.=C2=A0 180 CAS cruise is now the threshold.=0AChris Za= vatson=0AN91CZ=0A360std=0Awww.N91CZ.net=0A=C2=A0Sec. 45.29 =E2=80=94 Size o= f marks.=0A(a) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, each op= erator of an aircraft shall display marks on the aircraft meeting the size = requirements of this section. =0A(b) Height. Except as provided in paragrap= h (h) of this part, the nationality and registration marks must be of equal= height and on=E2=80=94=0A(1) Fixed-wing aircraft, must be at least 12 inch= es high, except that:=0A(i) An aircraft displaying marks at least 2 inches = high before November 1, 1981 and an aircraft manufactured after November 2,= 1981, but before January 1, 1983, may display those marks until the aircra= ft is repainted or the marks are repainted, restored, or changed;=0A(ii) Ma= rks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on a glider;=0A(iii) Marks at l= east 3 inches high may be displayed on an aircraft for which the FAA has is= sued an experimental certificate under =C2=A721.191 (d), =C2=A721.191 (g), = or =C2=A721.191 (i) of this chapter to operate as an exhibition aircraft, a= n amateur-built aircraft, or a light-sport aircraft when the maximum cruisi= ng speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180 knots CAS; and=0A(iv) Marks ma= y be displayed on an exhibition, antique, or other aircraft in accordance w= ith =C2=A745.22.=0A(2) Airships, spherical balloons, nonspherical balloons,= powered parachutes, and weight-shift-control aircraft must be at least 3 i= nches high; and=0A(3) Rotorcraft, must be at least 12 inches high, except t= hat rotorcraft displaying before April 18, 1983, marks required by =C2=A745= .29(b)(3) in effect on April 17, 1983, and rotorcraft manufactured on or af= ter April 18, 1983, but before December 31, 1983, may display those marks u= ntil the aircraft is repainted or the marks are repainted, restored, or cha= nged.=0A(c) Width. Characters must be two-thirds as wide as they are high, = except the number =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D, which must be one-sixth as wide as i= t is high, and the letters =E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CW=E2=80=9D whic= h may be as wide as they are high.=0A(d) Thickness. Characters must be form= ed by solid lines one-sixth as thick as the character is high.=0A(e) Spacin= g. The space between each character may not be less than one-fourth of the = character width.=0A(f) If either one of the surfaces authorized for display= ing required marks under =C2=A745.25 is large enough for display of marks m= eeting the size requirements of this section and the other is not, full siz= e marks shall be placed on the larger surface. If neither surface is large = enough for full-size marks, marks as large as practicable shall be displaye= d on the larger of the two surfaces. If no surface authorized to be marked = by =C2=A745.27 is large enough for full-size marks, marks as large as pract= icable shall be placed on the largest of the authorized surfaces. However, = powered parachutes and weight-shift-control aircraft must display marks at = least 3 inches high.=0A(g) Uniformity. The marks required by this part for = fixed-wing aircraft must have the same height, width, thickness, and spacin= g on both sides of the aircraft.=0A(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator o= f an aircraft penetrating an ADIZ or DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft t= emporary or permanent nationality and registration marks at least 12 inches= high.=0A[Doc. No. 2047, 29 FR 3223, Mar. 11, 1964, as amended by Amdt. 45= =E2=80=932, 31 FR 9863, July 21, 1966; Amdt. 45=E2=80=939, 42 FR 41102, Aug= . 15, 1977; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9313, 46 FR 48604, Oct. 1, 1981; Amdt. 45=E2=80= =9315, 48 FR 11392, Mar. 17, 1983; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9317, 52 FR 34102, Sept. = 9, 1987; 52 FR 36566, Sept. 30, 1987; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9324, 69 FR 44863, Jul= y 27, 2004; Amdt. No. 45=E2=80=9325, 72 FR 52469, Sept. 14, 2007]=0A=0AFrom= : PAUL HERSHORIN =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net= =0ASent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:48 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: N numbers=0A=0A= Ed--I believe that the issue is if you are going to fly out of the country.= =C2=A0 then you need 12 inch numbers.=0A=0APaul Hershorin=0A360=C2=A0 471 L= A--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Ed Gray wrote:=0A=0A>From: Ed G= ray =0A>Subject: [LML] N numbers=0A>To: lml@lancaironl= ine.net=0A>Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 7:50 AM=0A>=0A>=0A>My understanding= was numbers should be one foot high if plane exceeds 200 knots, but I have= seen many 360s with 3 inch numbers, and am sure these are 200 knot planes.= =C2=A0 I plan on a little over 200 knots, what should I do?=0A>Ed Gray, Dal= las L2 building --0-1236063846-1307984997=:9813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It would appear this reg has been updated in re= cent times, in particular for experimentals.&= nbsp; 180 CAS cruise is now the threshold.
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
 
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Sec. 45.29 =E2=80=94 Size of marks.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this = section, each operator of an aircraft shall display marks on the aircraft m= eeting the size requirements of this section.
(b) Height. Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this part, t= he nationality and registration marks must be of equal height and on=E2=80= =94
(1) Fixed-wing aircraft, must be at least 12 inches high, except that:=
(i) An aircraft displaying marks at least 2 inches high before Novembe= r 1, 1981 and an aircraft manufactured after November 2, 1981, but before J= anuary 1, 1983, may display those marks until the aircraft is repainted or = the marks are repainted, restored, or changed;
(ii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on a glider;
(iii) Marks at least 3 inches high may be displayed on an aircraft for= which the FAA has issued an experimental certificate under =C2=A721.191 (d= ), =C2=A721.191 (g), or =C2=A721.191 (i) of this chapter to operate as an e= xhibition aircraft, an amateur-built aircraft, or a light-sport aircraft wh= en the maximum cruising speed of the aircraft does not exceed 180 knots CAS= ; and
(iv) Marks may be displayed on an exhibition, antique, or other aircra= ft in accordance with =C2=A745.22.
(2) Airships, spherical balloons, nonspherical balloons, powered parac= hutes, and weight-shift-control aircraft must be at least 3 inches high; an= d
(3) Rotorcraft, must be at least 12 inches high, except that rotorcraf= t displaying before April 18, 1983, marks required by =C2=A745.29(b)(3) in = effect on April 17, 1983, and rotorcraft manufactured on or after April 18,= 1983, but before December 31, 1983, may display those marks until the airc= raft is repainted or the marks are repainted, restored, or changed.
(c) Width. Characters must be two-thirds as wide as they are hi= gh, except the number =E2=80=9C1=E2=80=9D, which must be one-sixth as wide = as it is high, and the letters =E2=80=9CM=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CW=E2=80=9D = which may be as wide as they are high.
(d) Thickness. Characters must be formed by solid lines one-six= th as thick as the character is high.
(e) Spacing. The space between each character may not be less t= han one-fourth of the character width.
(f) If either one of the surfaces authorized for displaying required m= arks under =C2=A745.25 is large enough for display of marks meeting the siz= e requirements of this section and the other is not, full size marks shall = be placed on the larger surface. If neither surface is large enough for ful= l-size marks, marks as large as practicable shall be displayed on the large= r of the two surfaces. If no surface authorized to be marked by =C2=A745.27= is large enough for full-size marks, marks as large as practicable shall b= e placed on the largest of the authorized surfaces. However, powered parach= utes and weight-shift-control aircraft must display marks at least 3 inches= high.
(g) Uniformity. The marks required by this part for fixed-wing = aircraft must have the same height, width, thickness, and spacing on both s= ides of the aircraft.
(h) After March 7, 1988, each operator of an aircraft penetrating an A= DIZ or DEWIZ shall display on that aircraft temporary or permanent national= ity and registration marks at least 12 inches high.
[Doc. No. 2047, 29 FR 3223, Mar. 11, 1964, as amended by Amdt. 45=E2= =80=932, 31 FR 9863, July 21, 1966; Amdt. 45=E2=80=939, 42 FR 41102, Aug. 1= 5, 1977; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9313, 46 FR 48604, Oct. 1, 1981; Amdt. 45=E2=80=931= 5, 48 FR 11392, Mar. 17, 1983; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9317, 52 FR 34102, Sept. 9, 1= 987; 52 FR 36566, Sept. 30, 1987; Amdt. 45=E2=80=9324, 69 FR 44863, July 27= , 2004; Amdt. No. 45=E2=80=9325, 72 FR 52469, Sept. 14, 2007]

From: P= AUL HERSHORIN <paulhershorin@bellsouth.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 9:48 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: N numbers
Ed--I believe that the issue is if you are going to fly out of the cou= ntry.  then you need 12 inch numbers.
 
Paul Hershorin
360  471 LA--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Ed Gray <egray= law@swbell.net> wrote:

From: Ed Gray <egraylaw@swbell.net>
Subj= ect: [LML] N numbers
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Monday, June 13,= 2011, 7:50 AM

My understanding was numbers should be one= foot high if plane exceeds 200 knots, but I have seen many 360s with 3 inc= h numbers, and am sure these are 200 knot planes.  I plan on a little = over 200 knots, what should I do?
Ed Gray, Dallas L2 building<= /div>
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