X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm20-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.150] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 5001379 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:36:39 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.150; envelope-from=casey.gary@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 12:36:04 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.198] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 12:36:04 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jun 2011 12:36:04 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 258605.37454.bm@omp1056.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80169 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2011 12:36:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=FK72MMRq7MIPYSnJFjx3CzNlILsBSNcCW/9R+jE2o5ek3pwP74uZct9tZwaTFuN/thiBwrkeJEdxPnjLhrSDUrOTZSe9ygI1CYLmT5a4wOSY/Mz+k6k8CSgL4tbvAlyqnfZ8QKZm6tZcqfmKNNwbtWH/DXSMHDicZh67C1b79KU=; X-Original-Message-ID: <64620.73630.qm@web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: _g12708VM1k7PqsCg9KJgCYbZMQU_tHROa6rRMtTJ0A6Y1t FoEUJnCaL6UyrnDgAfBpEt0Qu1F3J863kg.d4kPa0klZG9CB58O0p0X42K7W rtPsCfPNOtX5OlR21SaJiuznRpHiKs_0fTR5ToIZIVcPvY3EftOgNFW1MpW0 xLs7CZI4Fiy_nTQ7ngz6.vZkvQDKiRfPDtGJjQ36eCXpDHkzZOXOrEQrbFIW EOYhqkpGFF2vsztbEPqendzrL_z7Ieoy5EdC7ydvU1ln6WqzF.DmknnIGRim KjAGSniGmOytsPajiLRf9Dblgb7OZTsFtyjSVaswpUyzxrj9SM44- Received: from [97.122.154.57] by web125602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 05:36:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: X-Original-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 05:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Casey Subject: Re: L-IV Choice of Engine X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1169213130-1307018163=:73630" --0-1169213130-1307018163=:73630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lot's of interesting comments on the subject of alternate engines.=A0 I was= =0Aconvinced I was going to use an automotive V-8 at one time, but the las= t straws =0Awere the difficulty (or impossibility) of getting insurance and= the low (or =0Aimpossibility) of resae value.=A0 As someone said, the resa= le value would likely =0Abe the same as an aircraft without an engine.=A0 A= nd my analysis showed that the =0Ainstalled cost would be about the same (o= r more)=A0then for an aircraft engine.=A0 =0ABut the internals of any of th= ese engines are robust and should=A0able to tolerate =0Ahigh continuous pow= er.=A0 My conclusions - opinions of the disadvantages:=0A=A0=0AV-8 with red= uction gear:=0AHeavy - about 150 pound penalty=0AComplex installation and s= ystems=0ASlight fuel consumption penalty=0A=A0=0AV-8 engine direct drive tu= rbocharged:=0AHeavy - about 75 pound penalty=0AComplex installation and sys= tems=0A=A0=0ARotary engine:=0AVery complex installation and systems=0AHeavy= - up to 50 pound penalty=0APotentially fragile apex seals=0AHgh cooling dr= ag=0ANoisy=0ASignificant fuel consumption penalty increases the weight pena= lty=0A=A0=0ATurbine engine:=0AHigh initial cost=0AHigh fuel consumption neg= ates any weight savings=0A=A0=0AMisc. opinions:=A0 The liquid-cooled V-8 da= tes back to about 1918 when Chevrolet =0Abuilt the first mass-produced one,= so it's technology is even=A0older than the =0Aair-cooled engine's "30's t= echnology" that someone mentioned.=0A=A0=0AGary Casey --0-1169213130-1307018163=:73630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Lot's of interesting comments on the subject of altern= ate engines.  I was convinced I was going to use an automotive V-8 at = one time, but the last straws were the difficulty (or impossibility) of get= ting insurance and the low (or impossibility) of resae value.  As some= one said, the resale value would likely be the same as an aircraft without = an engine.  And my analysis showed that the installed cost would be ab= out the same (or more) then for an aircraft engine.  But the inte= rnals of any of these engines are robust and should able to tolerate h= igh continuous power.  My conclusions - opinions of the disadvantages:=

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V-8 with reduction gear:

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Heavy - about 1= 50 pound penalty

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Complex installation and systems

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Slight = fuel consumption penalty

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V-8 engine direct drive t= urbocharged:

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Heavy - about 75 pound penalty

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Complex insta= llation and systems

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Rotary engine:

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Very c= omplex installation and systems

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Heavy - up to 50 pound penalty

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Potentially fragile apex seals

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Hgh cooling drag

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Noi= sy

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Significant fuel consumption penalty increases the weight penal= ty

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Turbine engine:

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High initial cost

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High fuel consumption negates any weight savings

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Misc. opinions:  The liquid-cooled V-8 dates back to about 1918 = when Chevrolet built the first mass-produced one, so it's technology is eve= n older than the air-cooled engine's "30's technology" that someone me= ntioned.

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Gary Casey

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