X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 07:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4957077 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:23:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.212.178; envelope-from=wpedwards@hilgardhouse.com Received: from [98.139.212.144] by nm19.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2011 21:22:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.227] by tm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2011 21:22:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2011 21:22:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 538326.30226.bm@omp1036.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 61128 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2011 21:22:44 -0000 Received: from Office (wpedwards@76.95.16.125 with login) by smtp101.biz.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2011 14:22:43 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 6upBwtCswBDzNn3Hc9VYjfiP97A_RnP6DYkxiNc- X-YMail-OSG: Z7naGfkVM1kfJHJiRiQwBF1I93rXgeJiGR8.aNn9BhJ0fED FkgCgewK9VUAnGvGQU5.qMsj6IXSqon88Qa30FcaZNKeKUJ3_a3j8X32Vii8 yKyIF579jpwAB6vfiscw2s4GAp20cjIYsJbv9xPOYLx2ae_mf7r9CpNBmp3O IPrmIYw.PCdB1gp5b1aEF9jrMAoHQhEWVOImYW2ylGO4yB7nWtnzouWyZ0sF OfOrSTaxAPrWZpT0G2_pgzVUI9jGEikpei_StRmbF1VTVJjXbIX7qjroViXz d4Uj0IShjNeCgEMeIc.1fsxdmpZzJx1oFnzU5cBIpfF7St3swKzRJ9TM4nUD BaXJydok0rkqf52_MOC5h1vK3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "wpedwards" X-Original-To: "Peter More" X-Original-Cc: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: AOPA experience - see original letter... X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:22:40 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <009501cc038e$e94081e0$bbc185a0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0354.3CE1A9E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcwDhwcCdP0wD/oqTN+RSvMeTy3QUgABdvuQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0354.3CE1A9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe the problem is that the government at all levels is attacking GA = in so many places with such intensity that AOPA has neither the staff = nor time to respond to every one. Certainly SMO is a perfect example, = from City of Los Angeles Council resolutions against airport flight = schools to Rex Minter's rough search by Santa Monica airport cops a few = years ago. Rex is a former Mayor of Santa Monica and a local retired = judge and if he can be harassed with impunity no one is safe, AOPA or = no. =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Sky2high@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:24 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: The Big Squeeze On GA =20 Chris, =20 Big Squeeze indeed. I "sublease" a hangar in Sky Haven, the 194 hangar = complex at KARR (www.SkyHaven.com). To clarify, rental agreements are = made with Sky Haven, a corporation with all of the sub-lessees as its = members and run by a board elected from among the members. Sky Haven = itself leases the grounds and buildings from the City of Aurora = (municipal public towered airport) on a very long term basis and = annually charges each hangar for providing common area maintenance = (taxes, building exteriors, pavement, etc.). The sub-leases may be = bought and sold much like real property deeds and are recorded with the = county clerk since the term of the lease tracks that of the master lease = with the City. =20 Last November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it = could not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 = hangars because the sub-lessees were present and allowed entry. = Recently, the FAA issued a letter to the airport demanding that the = airport have "unobstructed" and "free" access to the Sky Haven hangar = interiors. Their suggestion was that the airport have keys to each = hangar by September 30. =20 The Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the = sub-lessee being present or at any time and by any other means in the = case of an emergency. The lease between Sky Haven and the City does = provide the City with the right to "enter upon the premises" at "any = reasonable time" for various purposes including inspection. Part of the = problem is whether "premises" includes the interior of each hangar. =20 In any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable search" (4th = Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds keys, etc. =20 We have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments are not = very encouraging. =20 The net of all this - another example that the agency that is supposed = to promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the = jugular. =20 Scott Krueger N92EX, Hangar 66=20 =20 In a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = starliteaviation@yahoo.com writes: I find the searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not the = only way GA is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, Arizona = (NYL), GA is getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know we are a = joint use military base with airline, GA, and military traffic. The = airline terminal is on the north side, GA on the west, and military is = about a mile or more away on the southeast side of the airport. MCAS is = one of three bases that have been chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter and = the military did a threat assessment on the base to list potential = problems. Last summer, before I became the AOPA representative, I was = approached by one of the board members stating the airport management = and the board of directors were told by the military that GA was a = security threat and Personally Operated Vehicles, POV=E2=80=99s, should = no longer be able to drive onto the airport. Since the meeting was the = next day I didn=E2=80=99t have a lot of time to organize the GA = population but was able to get 40 or so pilots together and was able to = stall this initiative. Since that time the airport management and the = board of directors have been pushing this issue. So now the airport = management has decided to allow us, for now, to drive to our hangers and = T-Shades and will be taking away any other driving privileges starting = July 1st, 2011. You can see the plan at = www.yumaairport.com on the left side click on General Aviation, on the = right side click on Vehicles.=20 Since then I have become the AOPA ASN Volunteer here at NYL and have = attended every monthly board meeting. I feel strongly it won=E2=80=99t = be long before we are not allowed to drive onto the airport. I also = question AOPA=E2=80=99s roll in GA as they were no help at all and I am = still awaiting a response from an email I sent to Sean Collins on = 3-14-2011. As someone else made mention, I guess they are too busy = selling alcohol and don=E2=80=99t have time for us mere pilots. Since = when do alcohol and flying go together?=20 =20 Fly Safe,=20 Christopher J. Alberti=20 KNYL AOPA Representative N441JH Lancair 4P Hanger C3 President/CEO=20 Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC=20 1963 S. 39th Drive=20 Yuma, Arizona 85364=20 Phone: 928-581-2383=20 Fax: 928-329-6488=20 Email: starliteaviation@yahoo.com=20 Web Site: www.starliteat.com This message contains confidential information only for the use of the = addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible = for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that = reading, disseminating, distributing or copying this message is strictly = prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify = us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message = immediately thereafter. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0354.3CE1A9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe the problem is that the = government at all levels is attacking GA in so many places with such = intensity that AOPA has neither the staff nor time to respond to every = one.=C2=A0 Certainly SMO is a perfect example, from City of Los Angeles = Council resolutions against airport flight schools to Rex Minter's rough = search by Santa Monica airport cops a few years ago.=C2=A0 Rex is a = former Mayor of Santa Monica and a local retired judge and if he can = be=C2=A0 harassed with impunity no one is safe, AOPA or = no.

 <= /o:p>

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 1:24 = PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: The = Big Squeeze On GA

 

C= hris,

&= nbsp;

B= ig Squeeze indeed.  I "sublease" a hangar in Sky = Haven, the 194 hangar complex at KARR (www.SkyHaven.com).  To = clarify, rental agreements are made with Sky Haven, a corporation = with all of the sub-lessees as its members and run by a board = elected from among the members.  Sky Haven itself leases the = grounds and buildings from the City of Aurora (municipal public towered = airport) on a very long term basis and annually charges each hangar = for providing common area maintenance (taxes, building exteriors, = pavement, etc.).  The sub-leases may be bought and sold much like = real property deeds and are recorded with the county clerk since = the term of the lease tracks that of the master lease with the = City.

&= nbsp;

L= ast November the FAA inspected the airport and was unhappy that it could = not gain entry to each and every hangar - they did inspect over 6 = hangars because the sub-lessees were present and allowed = entry.  Recently, the FAA issued a letter to the airport demanding = that the airport have "unobstructed" and "free" = access to the Sky Haven hangar interiors.  Their = suggestion was that the airport have keys to each hangar by September = 30.

&= nbsp;

T= he Sky Haven sub-lease provides for reasonable access with the = sub-lessee being present or at any time and by any other means = in the case of an emergency.  The lease between Sky Haven and the = City does provide the City with the right to "enter upon the = premises" at "any reasonable time" for various purposes = including inspection.  Part of the problem is whether = "premises" includes the interior of each = hangar.

&= nbsp;

I= n any event, this does bring up issues of "unreasonable = search" (4th Amendment), privacy, liability if the airport holds = keys, etc.

&= nbsp;

W= e have considered asking the AOPA for advice, but your comments are not = very encouraging.

&= nbsp;

T= he net of all this - another example that the agency that is supposed to = promote GA is sure doing a great job of holding its thumb on the = jugular.

&= nbsp;

S= cott Krueger

N= 92EX, Hangar 66 

&= nbsp;

I= n a message dated 4/25/2011 1:14:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, = starliteaviation@yahoo.com = writes:

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I find the = searching of GA aircraft very interesting but this is not the only = way GA is being attacked. Here at our airport, MCAS Yuma, Arizona (NYL), = GA is getting hit on two fronts. First you need to know we are a joint = use military base with airline, GA, and military traffic. The airline = terminal is on the north side, GA on the west, and military is about a = mile or more away on the southeast side of the airport. MCAS is one of = three bases that have been chosen for the F35 Strike Fighter and the = military did a threat assessment on the base to list potential problems. = Last summer, before I became the AOPA representative, I was approached = by one of the board members stating the airport management and the board = of directors were told by the military that GA was a security threat and = Personally Operated Vehicles, POV=E2=80=99s, should no longer be able to = drive onto the airport. Since the meeting was the next day I = didn=E2=80=99t have a lot of time to organize the GA population but was = able to get 40 or so pilots together and was able to stall this = initiative. Since that time the airport management and the board of = directors have been pushing this issue. So now the airport management = has decided to allow us, for now, to drive to our hangers and T-Shades = and will be taking away any other driving privileges starting July = 1st, 2011. You can see the plan at www.yumaairport.com on the = left side click on General Aviation, on = the right side click on Vehicles.

Since then I = have become the AOPA ASN Volunteer here at NYL and have attended every = monthly board meeting. I feel strongly it won=E2=80=99t be long before = we are not allowed to drive onto the airport. I also question = AOPA=E2=80=99s roll in GA as they were no help at all and I am still = awaiting a response from an email I sent to Sean Collins on 3-14-2011. = As someone else made mention, I guess they are too busy selling alcohol = and don=E2=80=99t have time for us mere pilots. Since when do alcohol = and flying go together?


 

Fly Safe, =

Christopher J. Alberti

KNYL AOPA = Representative

N441JH Lancair 4P = Hanger C3
President/CEO
Starlite Aviation Technologies LLC =
1963 S. 39th Drive
Yuma, Arizona 85364
Phone: 928-581-2383 =
Fax: 928-329-6488
Email: starliteaviation@yahoo.com

Web Site: www.starliteat.com

This = message contains confidential information only for the use of the = addressee(s). If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible = for delivering it to the addressee, you are hereby notified that = reading, disseminating, distributing or copying this message is strictly = prohibited. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify = us, by replying to the sender, and delete the original message = immediately = thereafter.

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