Return-Path: Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:11:56 -0400 Received: from regandesigns.com (tnt149-225.imbris.com [216.18.149.225]) by wind.imbris.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA45693 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39463485.9EC205FC@regandesigns.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:17:57 -0500 From: Brent Regan To: Lancair List Subject: Re: LIV-P window blow out X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> John Wright wrote: << Brent, Would you give me your opinion on the iv-p window blow out problem? My iv-p is down for painting and now would be the ideal time to modify anything if I am going to.>> Hello John: I agree with Lance. The window problem is not a design problem but an implementation problem. Proper prior preparation of the Plexiglas panels is a prerequisite ;) If this is the case then, in my opinion, the 1.5X pressure test, per part 23 of the FARs, is a good idea. Take the wing spar example. The factory tested the design to failure then built all subsequent spars and performed the critical bondings required to ensure that the wings would have the required strength. Since the same is not done for the pressure vessel then every kit is a "prototype" and a proof pressure test is needed. When I say "needed" I mean "prudent" as I don't know, for a fact, that it is "required". If you are going to damage the airplane at 7.5 PSI then damage it, but do it on the ground. Otherwise I would not regularly operate more than 66% of the maximum demonstrated pressure. I know of two pressure bulkheads that failed due to improper fabrication at just over 6.5 PSI. Had they not been on the way to 7.5 PSI then these defects would never have been found. Also keep in mind that the "Proof Pressure Test" of 7.5 PSI is not the same as the "Burst Pressure Test" of 10 PSI. The cabin should be able to withstand proof pressure without damage (yield) and Burst pressure without rupture (but possibly some permanent deformations). Testing to 7.5 PSI without damage demonstrates that the cabin is of comparable strength as the original factory test cabin. The test cabin was CYCLE TESTED though thousands of pressure cycles to demonstrate fatigue strength. Failure to demonstrate to 7.5 PSI without yield means that you are not sure if you have the required fatigue strength. You could just be flying along one day and BOOM, something breaks. Sound familiar? I did not implement the "fix" as it is not a guarantee of safety, as has been demonstrated, and has the potential of doing more harm than good. I was very careful during fabrication regarding surface preparation, drilling etc. N170BR has 600 hours TT, been to 30,000 feet twice, regularly flies at 5.0 - 5.3 PSI AND was pressure tested to 7.5 PSI. If it has been tested and it works, don't f**k with it. As I have said before, I am an idiot. Assume everything I say is wrong. Form your own opinions through research and testing or risk becoming an idiot yourself..... or worse, a dead idiot. Regards Brent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>