X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 10:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omp1015.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.15] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4892319 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 19:54:55 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.15; envelope-from=randylsnarr@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 51013 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Mar 2011 00:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 47571 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2011 00:54:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b/Rl4aP6FpcE3DIKj2qhhuLItwEmm3yezR/rCaeDrWo7NUbqx4wH7hGnqislLOJOlJq36+E3N2hA9UxbikaVK1J8kFaIWwk0CF3rp8Ro8eODTIIbsVDZtiuL+JBeyxhHjvGlVyIYYuHPVJzo1qByisrQ/u3KT+g/A0vR4HDNcTc=; X-Original-Message-ID: <740046.43225.qm@web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: EFcD8CEVM1mZd7kIMdLvkBF4qm1j4i3t4a0jeRKsocm.XmY CPhPralNLpJKzX7s30hmYv0XZXnTHvQJY0wz_M_64s60W1pwuUmXVAt.eNjr yAbWNLo4AJP.iQ7Gi_RU4s.SbzH_dUFA5S07qwJgOIERdlKKHLEbNHhtoE98 JVgLUn.WcW0gC1PvizlowcrtPTTdlewHfkf8Or1TypEmQh3g4bso551F5hh3 0rCXPjC7i4PGuYAQJiEGYsYBpE9DeZfVEXmIEZ6regI5wnlD0KMxAfM4Aklw N1bVppoGHFZcWi98bIrp00gC.dP57g5TzJlxohuweTQAp22c82HRadvBDGiA tC9r0j6z0KqCPwvrUzCQmJ_OxVKjKY4QeYucuILJqD7dHwus.chxLDUL9Xuc ksy.hh1.PGrQb Received: from [76.8.220.21] by web111405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 16:54:17 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: randy snarr Subject: Burned dash cover "My Solution" for stopping this X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-673625511-1299372857=:43225" --0-673625511-1299372857=:43225 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1626301236-1299372857=:43225" --0-1626301236-1299372857=:43225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, The sun burn spots on my glare shield has bugged me since I finished my air= plane. Most of our airplanes have these. (if you you are flying them Gary Edwards.= ..)=20 I tested many materials and found something that works. My glare shield is covered with black "Ultra Leather" which is a premium qu= ality man made leather. It is very tough stuff and looks beautiful until yo= u focus your canopy glass in the right position and you will quickly burn a= spot in it..If Left for a few minutes, it will burn a hole in it.. I have tried to be careful and watch where the sun is but there will come a= time when the sun is focused perfectly and it will burn in 5 seconds. Dang= !!! Anyway, I found that carbon fiber will not burn in this scenario. I believe= this will work on any type of fabric not just Ultraleather. So, I made two patches for my dust cover ( approx 10" x 6.5") using the lig= ht weight bidirection weave carbon fiber material. One for each side of the= dust cover where the burn marks have been have been congregating. (The pat= ches are kind of like you would see on the elbows of a sport jacket. These = serve 2 purposes. One, they cover up the burn marks I have now and they hop= efully will prevent new ones from happening. The procedure: I just covered my glare shield with saran wrap and tape to protect if from = the paint. I laid 2 patches (slightly larger than the final ones) made from= light carbon weave cloth in position on the saran wrap on the curved glare= shield. I then painted them with high temp black Krylon barbecue paint and= let them dry. (several coats especially on the edges. That makes them blac= k to match and it also stabilizes the fibers so they wont fray out especial= ly on the edges. Additionally it also keeps the pieces to shape while you c= ut them to the specific size using a paper pattern. They are also formed to= the shape of the dust cover. I then just used upholstery spray spray adhes= ive on the back of each ( now hardened with paint) carbon fiber patch and g= lued them down. Some of the glue bled through the weave so I masked them of= f after gluing them to the dust cover and gave them another light coat of h= igh temp paint. Shazam, heat shield complete.. See attached pics.. My test pieces held up well when I tried to burn a spot with a magnifying g= lass. I hope it works as well now I have it on my glare shield.. Best, Randy Snarr N694RS (sporting new virgin dust cover) 235/320=20 "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Thu, 3/3/11, Gary Edwards wrote: From: Gary Edwards Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:37 PM =0A=0A =0A=0AActually, since I put the EAA sticker on, there is no burn mar= ks on it; but =0Aothers near it.=A0 I just need a gross of those stickers a= nd cover the whole =0Adust cover.=A0 I'll just change my name to Edward All= en Anderson (or =0Asomething similar).=0A=A0=0AGary=0A=0A ----- Original M= essage ----- =0A From: randy =0A snarr =0A To: lml@lancaironline.net =0A= Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:31 =0A PM=0A Subject: [LML] Re: Burne= d dust cover =0A looking for material that wontburn.=0A =20 =0A =0A =0A =0A Gary,=20 I thought of that too. Anything but black =0A reflects in the window. Colors to varying deg= rees but foil is too =0A much.. Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will =0A not burn= or make a mark. I am planning to make some patches for the =0A sides of the dust cov= er like the elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to =0A glue them down w= ith spray adhesive. I just need a good way to finish the =0A edges s= o it has a nice clean look. My dust cover is flat black so =0A black carbon fiber may by my answ= er. Still working on a solution to =0A make it permanent... I will post what I end up doing.. Randy =0A Snarr 235-320 N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is =0A unpractical and insignif= icant, if not utterly =0A impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Wed, 3/2/11, =0A Gary Edwards wrote: =0A =20 From: =0A Gary Edwards Subject: [LML] Re: Burned =0A dust cover looking for material that= wontburn. To: =0A lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 =0A AM =0A =0A =0A=0A =0A How about using a pa= tch of Zetex in the areas prone to =0A burning?=0A =A0=0A= Gary=0A =0A ----- =0A Original Mes= sage ----- =0A From: =0A randylsnarr@yahoo.com =0A = =0A To: =0A lml@lancaironline.net =0A = =0A Sent: =0A Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19 PM= =0A Subject: =0A [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking = for material that =0Awontburn.=0A =20 I have tried to do the same. I really would like a =0A better so= lution though. Sooner or later it is going to happen again. =0A = i just picked up some cloth material that will not burn. I will post =0A = my findings to the group if it works. Randy Snarr =0A S= ent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile=0A =0A=0A From: "Gar= y Edwards" =0A Sender: "Lancair Mailing L= ist" =0A =0A Date: Fri, 25 Fe= b 2011 09:50:35 -0500=0A To: =0A = ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" =0A = =0A Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for =0A = material that wont burn.=0A =20 =0A =0A My second re-covering of the glare shield las= ted about 48 hours =0A without a burn mark.=A0 Got distracted wh= en a TV camera crew =0A walked up with the camera rolling (my 15= minutes of fame).=A0 So, =0A I said, "screw this".=A0 I put an = EAA sticker over the burn =0A marks.=A0 It's been there for 9 ye= ars.=A0 I try to not =0A park with the sun behind the plane and = try to keep the canopy =0A closed.=A0 A bit difficult when I pul= l the plane out of the =0A hanger and it's facing north for taxi= .=0A =A0=0A Gary Edwards=0A LNC2=0A = =0A ----- =0A Original Message ----- =0A = From: =0A randy =0A snarr =0A = To: =0A lml@lancaironline.net =0A =0A = Sent: =0A Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:13 AM=0A = Subject: =0A [LML] Burned dust cover looking for materia= l that wont burn.=0A =20 =0A =0A =0A =0A = Everyone has seen the burn marks on your dust =0A cover= over the instrument panel from the canopy glass caused =0A = by the sun when it hits at the right angle. Mine was =0A really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic = black leather. =0A Anyway, I have already recovered it o= nce and tried to be =0A really careful with it. In short= , it has about 20 or so burn =0A marks in it in 2 years.= =20 I am looking for a black =0A material (or could be paint= ed black) that will not burn that =0A is thin that two 8= " patches could be made to protect the =0A sides of the = glare shield where the sun is hitting it. =0A =20 Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these =0A = patches where the sun hits to stop the burn =0A holes..= . Any ideas? Randy =0A Snarr N694RS 235/320 "Flight by machines heavier than =0A air is unpractical = and insignificant, if not utterly =0A impossible" -Simon Newcomb, =0A 1902 =0A=0A=0A --0-1626301236-1299372857=:43225 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A =0A
All,
The sun burn spots on my glare shield= has bugged me since I finished my airplane.
Most of our airplanes have = these. (if you you are flying them Gary Edwards...)

I tested many m= aterials and found something that works.
My glare shield is covered with= black "Ultra Leather" which is a premium quality man made leather. It is v= ery tough stuff and looks beautiful until you focus your canopy glass in th= e right position and you will quickly burn a spot in it..If Left for a few = minutes, it will burn a hole in it..

I have tried to be careful and = watch where the sun is but there will come a time when the sun is focused p= erfectly and it will burn in 5 seconds. Dang!!!

Anyway, I found that= carbon fiber will not burn in this scenario. I believe this will work on a= ny type of fabric not just Ultraleather.
So, I made two patches for my d= ust cover ( approx 10" x 6.5") using the light weight bidirection weave carbon= fiber material. One for each side of the dust cover where the burn marks h= ave been have been congregating. (The patches are kind of like you would se= e on the elbows of a sport jacket. These serve 2 purposes. One, they cover = up the burn marks I have now and they hopefully will prevent new ones from = happening.

The procedure:
I just covered my glare shield with sar= an wrap and tape to protect if from the paint. I laid 2 patches (slightly l= arger than the final ones) made from light carbon weave cloth in position o= n the saran wrap on the curved glare shield. I then painted them with high = temp black Krylon barbecue paint and let them dry. (several coats especiall= y on the edges. That makes them black to match and it also stabilizes the f= ibers so they wont fray out especially on the edges. Additionally it also k= eeps the pieces to shape while you cut them to the specific size using a paper pattern. They are also formed to the shape of the dust cover= . I then just used upholstery spray spray adhesive on the back of each ( no= w hardened with paint) carbon fiber patch and glued them down. Some of the = glue bled through the weave so I masked them off after gluing them to the d= ust cover and gave them another light coat of high temp paint.
Shazam, h= eat shield complete..
See attached pics..

My test pieces held up = well when I tried to burn a spot with a magnifying glass.
I hope it work= s as well now I have it on my glare shield..

Best,
Randy SnarrN694RS (sporting new virgin dust cover)
235/320



"Flight by machines heavier than air is unprac= tical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible"
-Simon Newcom= b, 1902

--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.= com> wrote:

From: Gary Edw= ards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned= dust cover looking for material that wontburn.
To: lml@lancaironline.ne= t
Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 1:37 PM

=0A=0A =0A
=0A
Actually, since I put the EAA sticker on, there is= no burn marks on it; but =0Aothers near it.  I just need a gross of t= hose stickers and cover the whole =0Adust cover.  I'll just change my = name to Edward Allen Anderson (or =0Asomething similar).
=0A
 = ;
=0A
Gary
=0A
=0A
----- Original Message --= ---
=0A =0A =0A
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:31 =0A PM
=0A Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover = =0A looking for material that wontburn.
=0A

=0A =0A
Gary,
I thought of that too.
Anything = but black =0A reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees but = foil is too =0A much..

Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have test= ed it and it will =0A not burn or make a mark.
I am planning to m= ake some patches for the =0A sides of the dust cover like the elbows= on a sport jacket. I plan to =0A glue them down with spray adhesive= . I just need a good way to finish the =0A edges so it has a nice cl= ean look.
My dust cover is flat black so =0A black carbon fiber m= ay by my answer.
Still working on a solution to =0A make it perma= nent...
I will post what I end up doing..
Randy =0A Snarr
2= 35-320
N694RS


"Flight by = machines heavier than air is =0A unpractical and insignificant, if n= ot utterly =0A impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

---= On Wed, 3/2/11, =0A Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>= wrote:
=0A

From: =0A = Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned = =0A dust cover looking for material that wontburn.
To: =0A = lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 =0A = AM

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