Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #57587
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Subject: Re: [LML] Antenna type and placement
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:09:02 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Tom,
 
Heaven forbid that you should transmit on one radio and have the other set to the same frequency - does overload ring a bell?  If you have done this, perhaps the radios are damaged.
 
First, most antenna discussions warn the user that antennas placed close together will suck the energy out of both receptions and transmissions.  It doesn't matter whether they are both active or even covering the same frequency although there may be an issue with harmonics.  LNC2's are difficult to satisfy the usual requirement that the min distance betwixt antennas is 3 or 4 feet because these aircraft are so small.  If you have two comm antennas in the vertical stab or curving in the tail cone (arrrgghhh!), well, you shouldn't be surprised with the result.  Perhaps you should consider mount a comm bent whisker on the bottom.
 
Second, is it far more common to use a single comm antenna with a switcher that shuts off the connection to the other radio when one is transmitting. 
 

COMANT DUPLEXER
(CI-601)

Frequency • 118-136 MHz

Dual communication/single antenna duplexer designed to provide operation between two transceivers and one antenna. In the de-energize mode, the diplexer acts as a 3 dB coupler with the output ports isolated by 20dB. Control voltage actuated by the microphone circuit switches the antenna to transmitter No. 1 or transmitter No. 2.

 

COMANT DUPLEXER
(CI-601)

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/11-06827.jpg

Frequency • 118-136 MHz

Dual communication/single antenna duplexer designed to provide operation between two transceivers and one antenna. In the de-energize mode, the diplexer acts as a 3 dB coupler with the output ports isolated by 20dB. Control voltage actuated by the microphone circuit switches the antenna to transmitter No. 1 or transmitter No. 2.

 
Third, carbon can affect antennas.  Perhaps your problem is merely that the antennae are shielded if they are sitting between the carbon areas you describe.

(CI-601)

Frequency • 118-136 MHz

Dual communication/single antenna duplexer designed to provide operation between two transceivers and one antenna. In the de-energize mode, the diplexer acts as a 3 dB coupler with the output ports isolated by 20dB. Control voltage actuated by the microphone circuit switches the antenna to transmitter No. 1 or transmitter No. 2.

(CI-601)

Frequency • 118-136 MHz

Dual communication/single antenna duplexer designed to provide operation between two transceivers and one antenna. In the de-energize mode, the diplexer acts as a 3 dB coupler with the output ports isolated by 20dB. Control voltage actuated by the microphone circuit switches the antenna to transmitter No. 1 or transmitter No. 2.

 
Fourth, if you are using the same epoxy primer I used and are flying without covering it with paint, you may find it is subject to creating a great deal of static electricity.  So much so in flight that I was unable to get Loran reception to work.
 
Fifth, it may be some combination of the above.
 
Anyway, there are some areas you may wish to investigate further.
 
Good Luck,
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 2/23/2011 8:11:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, n20087@yahoo.com writes:
Folks
 
I am experiencing a dreadful time getting my COM radios to perform to their full (or even half) potential in my LNC2.  I have two Bob Archer's mounted in the tailcone and in the proper orientation with a VSWR of around 1.5 with RG 400 cable.  The antennas are fed by two Garmin 430s with a measured output of 8 watts each.  The thing is that ATC and my flying friends report a consistently weak signal and the same applies on reception on my end.  My airplane has the carbon tail and I built the seat bench using carbon on foam (bad idea in hindsight).  I have tried another type of antenna that is a dipole with a balun mounted in the  center of the baggage section in a vertical orientation but with little or no improvement in results.
 
 
I am beginning to suspect the Lancair supplied Gray epoxy primer which I understand contains aluminum oxide in the base
 
I am now considering mounting an external antenna but thought I would ask if anybody had experienced similar issues and subsequently corrected them.  Any help/advice would be very much appreciated
 
Thanks
 
Tom
 
LNC2
24 hrs

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