X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 08:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.222] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2a) with SMTP id 4831535 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:42:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.222; envelope-from=paulhershorin@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2011 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.40] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2011 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2011 16:41:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 471834.24456.bm@omp1040.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 98740 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2011 16:41:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lJ8CvB/GVhVxaGSrbICZip17RS+cS06I+22sNakx1er4RziWIcLA/MM7Gdu1+vzGuQuR09wOdgrUZRL0Ucl3FpYTS8WX9XuOuBMxgpbG33SJNrFjH5FCPnWYeRfzn4WjRwnk7g6hC5S5yvk3xJtjghnbmHfL12LZJ/6xdx57DRU=; X-Original-Message-ID: <11306.98365.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HiBlu2AVM1lXdVV6Nhj9yHWBGRTIAWwregyMm9iyVtXOndx S6dbcd2V6NmI3W1hSFFWNjKebjhPRLCI5MBmyC_VU81tFOKxYEXgtMR_dnaE G2TkJCMajjsKXXo5Zi7SL.GZgPQkVlWVQYstCY.w06RxtPmAe.tvWugvwEZN 6GmPmY5pHuGUX0FtcQouqV8aqnCXR6wjAy3qRl78GRqMluABrOSvhJzQeZNr PVwhbav.hCJpy.RXqqW2nhWnva1Brql4metN4skRJmsnW3b0qeyr2eTSqJhq g9xIO3.55CYm3 Received: from [98.77.102.68] by web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:43 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/11.4.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: PAUL HERSHORIN Subject: Re: [LML] Need advice on improving cooling X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1506826446-1296405703=:98365" --0-1506826446-1296405703=:98365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had to close off the air going to the oil cooler from #3 and I put in a= =A0nacko (sp) duct in my top cowling to the oil cooler. This lowered my oil= temps to 200-210 for clumb out and my cht and egt were lowered to acceptab= le temps.=A0 On hot days in South Florida if I am held on the runway I stil= l have to be very concerned--I will clumb to 500 level off and get the temp= s down and then climb on up--mixture rich the entire time until leveled off= . Paul Hershorin S. Florida 360 lnc2 --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Bryan Wullner wrote: From: Bryan Wullner Subject: [LML] Need advice on improving cooling To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 11:36 PM My airplane: Lancair 360, 180hp 360 carburated. I have a plenum to cool and= I am feeding the oil cooler with air off the #3 cyl. My chts are high on the ground and takeoff. The oil temp is high on the gro= und as well. Its to the point where I can't takeoff if I'm on the ground to= o long. And the hotter days aren't even here yet. Also my carb temp climbs on the ground and pegs at the gauge limit of 127 d= egrees. I've replaced the probe and the manufacturer seems to think its ope= rating normally. This would make me believe my lower cowling area is gettin= g hot and not enough air flowing out of it. My AP has checked my engine, compression, timing etc and doesn't believe th= ere is any issues with it. The cooler is a 9 vane SW that was new when inst= alled. My plan was to add cowling louvers to the lower cowling on each side below = the cyl banks.=A0 I would hope this would improve the air movement out the = cowling.=20 I read that cht probes could read high if they run close to the exhaust in = a tight cowling. Mine do. Also the carb probe is kind of close to the exhau= st as well. Not sure if this is my case. All my baffles are in place and pr= operly sealed.=20 Anybody have any advice on where to place these or other ideas that would i= mprove cooling or things to check Bryan --0-1506826446-1296405703=:98365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had to close off the air going to the = oil cooler from #3 and I put in a nacko (sp) duct in my top cowling to= the oil cooler. This lowered my oil temps to 200-210 for clumb out and my = cht and egt were lowered to acceptable temps.  On hot days in South Fl= orida if I am held on the runway I still have to be very concerned--I will = clumb to 500 level off and get the temps down and then climb on up--mixture= rich the entire time until leveled off.
Paul Hershorin
S. Florida
360 lnc2

--- On Sat, 1/29/11, Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gm= ail.com> wrote:

From: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
S= ubject: [LML] Need advice on improving cooling
To: lml@lancaironline.net=
Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 11:36 PM

My airplane: Lancair 360, 180hp 360 carburated. I have a plenum to coo= l and I am feeding the oil cooler with air off the #3 cyl.
My chts are high on the ground and takeoff. The oil temp is high on th= e ground as well. Its to the point where I can't takeoff if I'm on the grou= nd too long. And the hotter days aren't even here yet.
Also my carb temp climbs on the ground and pegs at the gauge limit of = 127 degrees. I've replaced the probe and the manufacturer seems to think it= s operating normally. This would make me believe my lower cowling area is g= etting hot and not enough air flowing out of it.
My AP has checked my engine, compression, timing etc and doesn't belie= ve there is any issues with it. The cooler is a 9 vane SW that was new when= installed.
My plan was to add cowling louvers to the lower cowling on each side b= elow the cyl banks.  I would hope this would improve the air movement = out the cowling.
I read that cht probes could read high if they run clo= se to the exhaust in a tight cowling. Mine do. Also the carb probe is kind = of close to the exhaust as well. Not sure if this is my case. All my baffle= s are in place and properly sealed.
Anybody have any advice on where to place these or other ideas that wo= uld improve cooling or things to check
Bryan
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