X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:24:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4648815 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:26:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20101220232554.MVIZ12685.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:25:54 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([75.132.241.174]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id lbRq1f0013mUFT705bRtgq; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:25:54 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=FbGNsiDtAAAA:8 a=Mcc499m13CeWjqWBCiMA:9 a=wkjyqH0-7seRLBYI8fEA:7 a=pRJ3TbPFFAAi_55WTNOOBj-Oa4sA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=4Zo036DPPjgA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=uBF22n3zQBa31Ys7:21 a=K5UZwvA7HZklvn6W:21 a=ilfZ5cGozGeA0IMzWqcA:7 a=upDoTIxJbEZ-TVYx5Bg8AL0OrlgA:4 a=tiqWUk700YcA:10 From: Terrence O'Neill Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-263-1047736776 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Runwayfinder X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:25:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <32E0FD23-154F-4447-83BE-7ACB78E1FF20@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-263-1047736776 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Amen . My patent expired last year... whole other intellectual property rights = (copyrights) now remain with the inventor/writer until death. My patent lawyer son explained that the corporations do not buy patents = outside the company... they just wait until it expires, then use it = gratis. Some patented devices take years to market... others are immediate. =20 Any comments, viewpoints on this? I think they should be good for life. Costs thousands for the simplest = patent. and all devices are not the same.. some simple, some very = complex. (Well,, got that off my chest.). : ) Terrence L235/320 N211AL On Dec 20, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Taylor, David wrote: > Our patent laws in this country are crap. They need to be overhauled. = Yes innovative ideas need to be protected, but being the first one to = get the paperwork to the courthouse is not innovation.=20 > =20 > It takes a low moral conscience to defend a system that siphons = billions of dollars into the pockets of a few who add no value = whatsoever to anything. > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Colyn Case > Sent: 12-19-10-Sun 19:10 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Runwayfinder > =20 > I totally understand Jon's point. =20 > I think the protection of technology investment argument is extremely = weak on this one. Everybody who ever created a pc flight planner made = a big investment. This is more about change of venue. > =20 > If indoor plumbing had happened in 1980 I suppose you could get a = patent on toilet paper that worked indoors if you were the first one to = do the research. Even if the courts allowed it wouldn't you feel a = little conscience about charging other people for your "invention". > =20 > If this ruling stand basically any program you've seen on a pc could = be patentable the first time it appears on the net. =20 > =20 > On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:34 PM, paul miller wrote: >=20 >=20 > I'm not sure I understand your argument Jon. FlightPrep has a patent. = Stenbock & Everson probably spent a lot on the technology or at least = was first to file. Someone delivers a low cost equivalent without a = license. A dispute arises. It happens every day. Technology needs = to be protected just like all other inventions. If you disagree, you = have to go to court or get a license or do something else. I cannot = duplicate Jepp's plates nor AOPA's articles. I can't copy ASA's flight = training programs nor FlighPrep's data. Every one of those companies = no doubt has sent nastygrams claiming infringement to protect their = investment and source of revenue yet they flourish and continue to be = supported. I don't understand the retaliation issue you have with S&E = except perhaps the publicity over using brute force against an = individual. Copy some Jepp plates without permission and this story = pales in comparison. > =20 > Paul > Legacy N357V=20 > On 2010-12-16, at 12:01 PM, Jon Socolof wrote: >=20 >=20 > Is anyone else disturbed by the activities of FlightPrep against = Runwayfinder.com, a little free online flight planner? They also went = after Jepp/AOPA and other flight planners. The Van=92s community is = following pretty closely. I for one, will never purchase from any = Stenbock and Everson company including Flightprep, ASA, etc. I hope the = Lancair community will support the Van=92s community in this one. > =20 > Jon > Legacy N332E > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-263-1047736776 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Amen .
My patent expired last year... whole = other intellectual property rights (copyrights) now remain with the = inventor/writer until death.
My patent lawyer son explained = that the corporations do not buy patents outside the company... they = just wait until it expires, then use it gratis.
Some patented = devices take years to market... others are immediate. =  
Any comments, viewpoints on this?
I think = they should be good for life.  Costs thousands for the simplest = patent. and all devices are not the same.. some simple, some very = complex.
(Well,, got that off my =  chest.).
  : =  )
Terrence
L235/320 = N211AL


On Dec 20, = 2010, at 7:52 AM, Taylor, David wrote:

Our patent laws in this = country are crap.  They need to be overhauled.  Yes innovative = ideas need to be protected, but being the first one to get the paperwork = to the courthouse is not innovation. 
It = takes a low moral conscience to defend a system that siphons billions of = dollars into the pockets of a few who add no value whatsoever to = anything.
From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn = Case
Sent: 12-19-10-Sun = 19:10
To:  [LML] Re: = Runwayfinder
I'm not sure I understand = your argument Jon.  FlightPrep has a patent.   Stenbock & = Everson probably spent a lot on the technology or at least was first to = file.   Someone delivers a low cost equivalent without a license. =    A dispute arises.  It happens every day.   = Technology needs to be protected just like all other inventions.   = If you disagree, you have to go to court or get a license or do = something else.   I cannot duplicate Jepp's plates nor AOPA's = articles. I can't copy ASA's flight training programs nor FlighPrep's = data.   Every one of those companies no doubt has sent nastygrams = claiming infringement to protect their investment and source of revenue = yet they flourish and continue to be supported.   I don't = understand the retaliation issue you have with S&E except perhaps = the publicity over using brute force against an individual.   Copy = some Jepp plates without permission and this story pales in = comparison.
Is anyone else disturbed by = the activities of FlightPrep against Runwayfinder.com, a little free online flight planner? = They also went after Jepp/AOPA and other flight planners. The Van=92s = community is following pretty closely.  I for one, will never = purchase from any Stenbock and Everson company including Flightprep, = ASA, etc.  I hope the Lancair community will support the Van=92s = community in this one.
 
Jon
Legacy N332E
 
 
 

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