X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:38:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from s6.cableone.net ([24.116.0.232] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4592161 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:40:24 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.116.0.232; envelope-from=bbreen@cableone.net Received: from [192.168.1.104] (unverified [174.126.5.173]) by s6.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s6) with ESMTP id 37822736-1872270 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:39:40 -0700 X-Original-Return-Path: X-Original-Message-Id: <15A5AAC0-C725-4D45-8583-B19534AA2B82@cableone.net> From: Berni X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1014457889 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (7B500) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 7B500) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:39:46 -0600 References: X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.400000 From3consonants=0.7, Aspam=2.7 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 86, in=28, out=0, spam=0 ip=174.126.5.173 X-Originating-IP: 174.126.5.173 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net --Apple-Mail-1-1014457889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fly cross country each and every week with my 3G iPad and Foreflight. = I have dual Garmin 430's in my panel and see zero information conflict = between the iPad and the Garmins...ever. In my opinion all you would be = accomplishing by adding an external receiver would be to lessen the = mobility of your iPad. Sent from my iPad Berni Breen Bbreen@cableone.net On Nov 25, 2010, at 9:27 AM, John Hafen wrote: > The Bad Elf site says: >=20 > "Don=E2=80=99t have a recent iPhone or an iPad (3G+Wi-Fi) with an = internal GPS receiver? Attach the Bad Elf GPS to any iPod touch, iPad, = or original iPhone device and start using location-based apps on your = device today." >=20 > I DO have an iPad with an internal GPS receiver, from the factory. So = would I be buying myself anything with another external receiver? = better reception? more accuracy? >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > On Nov 22, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Robert Mitchell wrote: >=20 >> John, >>=20 >> =46rom Foreflight blog, cost $99.00=20 >>=20 >> The first supported device is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver for iPod = touch, iPhone, and iPad (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, 10Hz). This small, = directly attached GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate = device while providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. = The BadElf GPS requires zero setup =E2=80=93 just plug it into your iPad = or iPhone and you have an upgraded GPS signal. More information is = available on the Bad Elf web site. >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >> On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "John Barrett" = wrote: >>=20 >>> Have been watching this thread with great interest. I have iPad = with wifi but not 3G. My wife gave it to me as a present and she knows = I don=E2=80=99t like my cell phones to have 3G internet connectivity so = she reasoned this would be the right thing for me. I thought so too = until I started reading on LML about Foreflight for the iPad. Now = I=E2=80=99ve tried it and it looks pretty good but works best if hooked = up via wifi. I=E2=80=99ve been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a = small tablet computer and it looks like the iPad might have some = advantages. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup storage. I have been told = I can =E2=80=9Ctether=E2=80=9D it to a cell phone with 3G capabilities = and a GPS to make it functional for aviation apps. I am looking to = verify this concept. Anyone have experience with this? A low end = IPhone can be had for $99 and the tether contract is $45 per month but = can be selectively downgraded month to month when not being used to $15 = per month minimal contract.=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> John Barrett >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of YoSamuel@aol.com >>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM >>> To: lml@lancaironline.net >>> Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> John Hafen. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> Dave. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, = j.hafen@comcast.net writes: >>>=20 >>> My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> John Hafen >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep = at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and = there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does = have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a = 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. >>>=20 >>> Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly = happy that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. >>>=20 >>> Fwiw >>>=20 >>> Jarrett Johnson >>>=20 >>> 235/320 55% >>>=20 >>> > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 >>> > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20= >>> > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >>> >=20 >>> > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 >>> > wrote:=20 >>> >=20 >>> > > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=E2=80=99day = present (for=20 >>> > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 >>> > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =E2=80=93= you=20 >>> > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 >>> > outback>=20 >>> > > Cheers=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Dom Crain=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > VH-CZJ=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > =20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20= >>> > H & J Johnson=20 >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 >>> > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 >>> > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > =20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20= >>> > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20= >>> > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 >>> > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20= >>> > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20= >>> > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20= >>> > where does one get such a beast?=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20= >>> > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 >>> > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20= >>> > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20= >>> > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 >>> > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 >>> > approach plates is a synch.=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20= >>> > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20= >>> > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Fwiw=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > Jarrett Johnson=20 >>> > >=20 >>> > > 235/320 55%=20 >>> > >>>=20 >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >>> =20 >>>=20 >>> =3D >>>=20 >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3266 - Release Date: = 11/19/10 >>>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-1014457889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I fly cross country each and every = week with my 3G iPad and Foreflight.  I have dual Garmin 430's in = my panel and see zero information conflict between the iPad and the = Garmins...ever.  In my opinion all you would be accomplishing by = adding an external receiver would be to lessen the mobility of your = iPad.

Sent from my iPad
Berni Breen

On Nov 25, 2010, at 9:27 AM, John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net> = wrote:

The = Bad Elf site says:

"Don=E2=80=99t have a recent = iPhone or an iPad (3G+Wi-Fi) with an internal GPS=20 receiver? Attach the Bad Elf GPS to any iPod touch, iPad, or original=20 iPhone device and start using location-based apps on your device = today."

I DO have an iPad with an internal GPS = receiver, from the factory.  So would I be buying myself anything = with another external receiver?  better reception?  more = accuracy?

John


= On Nov 22, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Robert Mitchell wrote:

John,

=46rom = Foreflight blog, cost $99.00 

The first supported device is = the Bad Elf GPS Receiver for iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad = (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, 10Hz)3D"".  This small, directly = attached GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate device = while providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. =  The BadElf GPS requires zero setup =E2=80=93 just plug it into = your iPad or iPhone and you have an upgraded GPS signal.  More = information is available on the Bad Elf web site.

Sent from my iPad

On = Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "John Barrett" <jbarrett@carbinge.com> = wrote:

Have been watching this thread with great = interest.  I have iPad with wifi but not 3G.  My wife gave it = to me as a present and she knows I don=E2=80=99t like my cell phones to = have 3G internet connectivity so she reasoned this would be the right = thing for me.  I thought so too until I started reading on LML = about  Foreflight for the iPad.  Now I=E2=80=99ve tried it and = it looks pretty good but works best if hooked up via wifi.  I=E2=80=99= ve been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer and it = looks like the iPad might have some advantages.

 

My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup = storage.  I have been told I can =E2=80=9Ctether=E2=80=9D it to a = cell phone with 3G capabilities and a GPS to make it functional for = aviation apps.  I am looking to verify this concept.  Anyone = have experience with this?  A low end IPhone can be had for $99 and = the tether contract is $45 per month but can be selectively downgraded = month to month when not being used to $15 per month minimal = contract. 

 

John Barrett

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of YoSamuel@aol.com
Sent: = Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
= Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the = cockpit

 

John Hafen.

 

What software do you use for your IFR and VFR = charts?

 

Thanks.

 

Dave.

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific = Standard Time, j.hafen@comcast.net = writes:

My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or = IFR charts as I fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. =  At 22,000 feet, well away from cell towers. =

 

What you can't get airborne is weather information. =  

 

John Hafen

 

 

On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson = wrote:



 

 

 

John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to = the Apple rep at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb = w/ 3G] and there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. = What it does have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through = connection to a 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you = have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no actuall connection or = reception of SAT signals.  For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty = useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool for = carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very = nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not = terribly happy that it doesn't infact have a proper = receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I = know because my
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had = to take it back and
> pay a few hundred more to get what I = needed.....
>
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. = Crain"
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> = wrote:
>
> > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an = iPad as a b=E2=80=99day present (for
> meself) and when quizzed = the so-called Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS = receiver built in to the iPad =E2=80=93 you
> have to be in range = of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback> =
> > Cheers
> >
> > Dom Crain
> > =
> > VH-CZJ
> >
> > 
> > =
> > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of
> H & J Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 = November 2010 1:21 PM
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net =
> > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> > =
> > 
> >
> > Bob Are you positive = that your unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from = the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit = w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. = There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it = isn't infact and gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to = work on my w/out the 3G operating.
> >
> > As to = external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or
> where = does one get such a beast?
> >
> > REALLY liking my = iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> last night = central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops and = didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them
> still, I = just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp = when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and
> = getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or
> = approach plates is a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't = recommend it enough!
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been = using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or = altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of = 7-8000'
> >
> > Fwiw
> >
> > = Jarrett Johnson
> >
> > 235/320 55%
> =

 

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