X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:27:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.16] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4589956 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:10:46 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.16; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id akRE1f00116AWCUA1lAAl2; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:10:10 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id alA81f00M3hvfg88SlA9gn; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:10:10 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-43-854279942 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:10:08 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <28F6AF18-2FE2-48F6-A5F7-B3CA745B9039@comcast.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-43-854279942 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 The Bad Elf site says: "Don=92t have a recent iPhone or an iPad (3G+Wi-Fi) with an internal GPS = receiver? Attach the Bad Elf GPS to any iPod touch, iPad, or original = iPhone device and start using location-based apps on your device today." I DO have an iPad with an internal GPS receiver, from the factory. So = would I be buying myself anything with another external receiver? = better reception? more accuracy? John On Nov 22, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Robert Mitchell wrote: > John, >=20 > =46rom Foreflight blog, cost $99.00=20 >=20 > The first supported device is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver for iPod touch, = iPhone, and iPad (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, 10Hz). This small, directly = attached GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate device = while providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. The = BadElf GPS requires zero setup =96 just plug it into your iPad or iPhone = and you have an upgraded GPS signal. More information is available on = the Bad Elf web site. >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "John Barrett" = wrote: >=20 >> Have been watching this thread with great interest. I have iPad with = wifi but not 3G. My wife gave it to me as a present and she knows I = don=92t like my cell phones to have 3G internet connectivity so she = reasoned this would be the right thing for me. I thought so too until I = started reading on LML about Foreflight for the iPad. Now I=92ve tried = it and it looks pretty good but works best if hooked up via wifi. I=92ve = been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer and it = looks like the iPad might have some advantages. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup storage. I have been told I = can =93tether=94 it to a cell phone with 3G capabilities and a GPS to = make it functional for aviation apps. I am looking to verify this = concept. Anyone have experience with this? A low end IPhone can be had = for $99 and the tether contract is $45 per month but can be selectively = downgraded month to month when not being used to $15 per month minimal = contract.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John Barrett >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of YoSamuel@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John Hafen. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Dave. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, = j.hafen@comcast.net writes: >>=20 >> My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John Hafen >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep = at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and = there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does = have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a = 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. >>=20 >> Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. >>=20 >> Fwiw >>=20 >> Jarrett Johnson >>=20 >> 235/320 55% >>=20 >> > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 >> > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20= >> > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >> >=20 >> > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 >> > wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for=20= >> > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 >> > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you=20= >> > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 >> > outback>=20 >> > > Cheers=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Dom Crain=20 >> > >=20 >> > > VH-CZJ=20 >> > >=20 >> > > =20 >> > >=20 >> > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20= >> > H & J Johnson=20 >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 >> > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 >> > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 >> > >=20 >> > > =20 >> > >=20 >> > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 >> > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20= >> > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 >> > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20= >> > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20= >> > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 >> > >=20 >> > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 >> > where does one get such a beast?=20 >> > >=20 >> > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20= >> > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 >> > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 >> > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 >> > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 >> > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 >> > approach plates is a synch.=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20= >> > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20= >> > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Fwiw=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Jarrett Johnson=20 >> > >=20 >> > > 235/320 55%=20 >> > >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> -- >> For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >> =20 >>=20 >> =3D >>=20 >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3266 - Release Date: = 11/19/10 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-43-854279942 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252

I DO have an iPad with an internal GPS = receiver, from the factory.  So would I be buying myself anything = with another external receiver?  better reception?  more = accuracy?

John


= On Nov 22, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Robert Mitchell wrote:

John,

=46rom = Foreflight blog, cost $99.00 

The first supported device is = the Bad Elf GPS Receiver for iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad = (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, 10Hz)3D"".  This small, directly = attached GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate device = while providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. =  The BadElf GPS requires zero setup =96 just plug it into your iPad = or iPhone and you have an upgraded GPS signal.  More information is = available on the Bad Elf = web site.

Sent from my = iPad

On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "John Barrett" <jbarrett@carbinge.com> = wrote:

Have been watching this thread with great = interest.  I have iPad with wifi but not 3G.  My wife gave it = to me as a present and she knows I don=92t like my cell phones to have = 3G internet connectivity so she reasoned this would be the right thing = for me.  I thought so too until I started reading on LML = about  Foreflight for the iPad.  Now I=92ve tried it and it = looks pretty good but works best if hooked up via wifi.  I=92ve = been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer and it = looks like the iPad might have some advantages.

 

My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup = storage.  I have been told I can =93tether=94 it to a cell phone = with 3G capabilities and a GPS to make it functional for aviation apps. =  I am looking to verify this concept.  Anyone have experience = with this?  A low end IPhone can be had for $99 and the tether = contract is $45 per month but can be selectively downgraded month to = month when not being used to $15 per month minimal contract.  =

 

John Barrett

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of YoSamuel@aol.com
Sent: = Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subj= ect: [LML] Re: iPad in the = cockpit

 

John Hafen.

 

What software do you use for your IFR and VFR = charts?

 

Thanks.

 

Dave.

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific = Standard Time, j.hafen@comcast.net = writes:

My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or = IFR charts as I fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. =  At 22,000 feet, well away from cell towers. =

 

What you can't get airborne is weather information. =  

 

John Hafen

 

 

On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson = wrote:



 

 

 

John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to = the Apple rep at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb = w/ 3G] and there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. = What it does have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through = connection to a 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you = have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no actuall connection or = reception of SAT signals.  For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty = useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool for = carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very = nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not = terribly happy that it doesn't infact have a proper = receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I = know because my
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had = to take it back and
> pay a few hundred more to get what I = needed.....
>
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. = Crain"
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote: =
>
> > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a = b=92day present (for
> meself) and when quizzed the so-called = Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS receiver = built in to the iPad =96 you
> have to be in range of a 3G cell = tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback>
> > Cheers =
> >
> > Dom Crain
> >
> > VH-CZJ =
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: = Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H = & J Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM =
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> = > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> >
> = > 
> >
> > Bob Are you positive that your = unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from the = standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit w/ a = GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There = are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it isn't = infact and gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to work = on my w/out the 3G operating.
> >
> > As to external = GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or
> where does one = get such a beast?
> >
> > REALLY liking my iPAD for = in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> last night central Canada = to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops and didn't pick up = a single chart book or map [I have them
> still, I just don't use = them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp when going into = somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and
> getting 'yanked' = around a bit switching up arrival plates or
> approach plates is = a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't recommend it enough! =
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 = weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally = fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> > =
> > Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> = >
> > 235/320 55%
> =

 

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