X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:24:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com ([61.9.168.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4426050 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:37:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=61.9.168.149; envelope-from=frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.182.130.99]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100811013721.RVG18865.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:37:21 +0000 Received: from Razzle ([124.182.130.99]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20100811013718.TARE25056.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@Razzle> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:37:18 +0000 From: "Frederick Moreno" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: Builders' advice to the Lancair Factory X-Original-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:37:03 +0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <00ad01cb38f5$b6ce56b0$246b0410$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01CB3938.C4F196B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acs49bNeafZs+szxTnWO3DhNuf1v5Q== Content-Language: en-au X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A090204.4C61FED0.0241,ss=1,fgs=0 X-SIH-MSG-ID: rhw7FdbuCkKhkDE4gja+bFg2l1K70SNytt9NBYd6+kVFXEfBvd/fS8i9cqBB34fvxFkZYgr0ezYwYq30XY7bsd66I71BWLDY58I= This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01CB3938.C4F196B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George wrote "If you agree with me I urge you to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to get the 4-P's back in their promotional and advertising schemes." It is good for the Lancair community to make their concerns and recommendations heard to the new management at Lancair. Some clarifying statements about continuing production and support of all the currently-produced aircraft would be most welcome. Let me make the case for the "plain vanilla" Lancair IV, non-turbo, non-pressurized which normally resides in the shadow of the P versions. It is a truly unique aircraft, totally unappreciated by many. I recognize the "plain vanilla" version may not scratch the primal urge itch to go FASTER!, HIGHER!, FASTER!, HIGHER! But setting primal urges aside, consider the following for the non-turbo non-P Lancair IV . 65% LOP cruise speed at 8500 of 220+ knots on 13 gallons per hour, the same speed as a Piper Malibu at 25,000 feet at less than one third of the price and two thirds the fuel flow. . 50 knots faster than a new Cirrus SR-22 at one half the price. . Empty weight of 1980 pounds meaning you can put 700 pounds in the cabin and full fuel, takeoff weight of about 3200 pounds, and maintain good runway and climb performance while getting 1300 NM range with reserves. . Transcontinental, one day, one stop. . Fuel costs, maintenance costs, maintenance reserve, and insurance costs are all at least 30% below the piston P versions. . Above 160 knots IAS, the plain vanilla LIV has lower drag and thus lower fuel flow than an RV-6! And carries twice as many people while doing it. . 95% of the speed of the Legacy with the same engine, but with four people on board. The 5% speed deficiency costs about three minutes per hour. Like the IVP, the plain vanilla IV is in a class by itself in terms of performance, efficiency, and cost effectiveness. There is a market for this package of benefits that compliments the market for HIGHER and FASTER provided by the P versions. It is overlooked too often, but makes a lot of sense for old retired guys like me that like to watch the landscape pass by close enough to be interesting. I have flown the flight levels, and find them boring. Fred Moreno ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01CB3938.C4F196B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

George wrote “If you agree with me I urge you = to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to get the 4-P's back in their = promotional and advertising schemes.”

 

It is good for the Lancair community to make their = concerns and recommendations heard to the new management at Lancair.  Some = clarifying statements about continuing production and support of all the = currently-produced aircraft would be most welcome.

 

Let me make the case for the “plain = vanilla” Lancair IV, non-turbo, non-pressurized which normally resides in the = shadow of the P versions.  It is a truly unique aircraft, totally  = unappreciated by many.  I recognize the “plain vanilla” version may = not scratch the  primal urge itch to go FASTER!, HIGHER!, FASTER!, = HIGHER!

 

But setting primal urges aside, consider the = following for the non-turbo non-P Lancair IV

·         65% LOP cruise speed at 8500 of 220+ = knots on 13 gallons per hour, the same speed as a Piper Malibu at 25,000 feet at = less than one third of the price and two thirds the fuel flow.

·         50 knots faster than a new Cirrus SR-22 = at one half the  price.

·         Empty weight of 1980 pounds meaning you = can put 700 pounds in the cabin and full fuel, takeoff weight of about 3200 pounds, = and maintain good runway and climb performance while getting 1300 NM range = with reserves.

·         Transcontinental, one day, one stop.

·         Fuel costs,  maintenance costs, = maintenance reserve, and insurance costs are all at least 30% below the piston P = versions.

·         Above 160 knots IAS, the plain vanilla = LIV has  lower drag and thus lower fuel flow than an RV-6!  And = carries twice as many people while doing it.

·         95% of the speed of the Legacy with the = same engine, but with four people on board.  The 5% speed deficiency = costs about three minutes per hour.

 

Like the  IVP, the  plain vanilla IV is = in a class by itself in terms of performance, efficiency, and cost = effectiveness.  There is a market for this package of benefits that compliments the market for = HIGHER and FASTER provided by the P versions.   It is overlooked too = often, but makes a lot of sense for old retired guys like me that like to watch = the landscape pass by close enough to be interesting.   I have = flown the flight levels, and find them boring.

 

Fred Moreno

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