X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4397397 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:57 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.146; envelope-from=RWolf99@aol.com Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o6IGsFLP001743 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:15 -0400 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.bd8.53228e93 (34956) for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.102]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA065-b2914c4331b22c2; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from webmail-d044 (webmail-d044.sim.aol.com [205.188.181.82]) by smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME011-b2914c4331b22c2; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:10 -0400 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: 320/360 CG and Pitch Sensitivity X-Original-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:10 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 174.18.248.233 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rwolf99@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CCF4B0FA378D1D_A24_3E068_webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 32213-STANDARD Received: from 174.18.248.233 by webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.82) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:10 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CCF4B0FA32CA5D-A24-21137@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: RWolf99@aol.com ----------MB_8CCF4B0FA378D1D_A24_3E068_webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Some of us on the list are getting hung up on the CG range as a percent of= mean aerodynamic chord. To an aircraft designer, expessing the CG range= this way is used for preliminary design purposes only --we want to make= sure that we have a usable product that can support real world loading co= nditions, and also to know where the landing gear needs to be. (It's bad= when the airplane falls on its tail when the pilot throws a suitcase in= the back...) Once the airplane is built and in flight test, we determine the real CG li= mits by ballasting the airplane to different CGs and doing the following: 1) Determining the maximum forward CG by determining where tail power bec= omes insufficient to flare on landing. This is actually not hard to calcu= late and simply verify during flight tests. 2) Determining the aft CG at which the handling qualities become unaccept= able. As I mentioned in an earlier posting, this depends on the intended= pilot population (is it a trainer or an advanced fighter jet) and its mis= sion (is it a trainer, a Bonanza-class airplane or an airliner). This is= very difficult to determine analytically, hence the intial reliance on ru= les of thumb. (Since you can't calculate it precisely, you might as well= use a quick estimate that's just as good.) Again, rules of thumb (such as a range of 15% - 30% MAC -- this depends on= airfoil section and the aft-loaded NLF airfoils are different from the NA= CA 65-series, for example) are used only to estimate those actual CG limit= s which are verified in flight test. Scott Krueger is abolutely right when he says that there are multiple fact= ors which influence pitch sensitivity, not all of which were mentioned in= the CAFE reports. First and foremost is CG. Other factors are (in the= 320 series) the elevator bellcrank arm and the tail size. And then there= are odd airplanes like Dom Crain's, which has the pitch damping of a larg= e tail but (I'm guessing) the tail power of the small tail. He likes it. Here's one suggestion to non-builder owners of 320 and 360 airplanes. If= you think the pitch sensitivity is too high, measure the distance between= the elevator axis of rotation and the bolt hole to which the elevator pus= hrod is attached. There were two versions of this bellcrank. Original on= es had a longer distance and the newer ones were 1 inch shorter. I have= a copy of the Lancair factory newsletter in the hangar addressing this ch= ange and I'll post it in the next week or so. The shorter distance gives= higher stick forces but less control stick throw. You will notice the st= ick force change but probably not the change in stick throw. You can modi= fy your bellcrank without replacing it, if you want. You just drill one= hole, although you'll have to remove at least one elevator (maybe both)= in order to do it, and you should check the rigging afterwards to make su= re the neutral position is still where you want it. Elevator range of mot= ion will be unaffected but with the elevator in trail the stick might be= tilted forward or aft a little. - Rob Wolf ----------MB_8CCF4B0FA378D1D_A24_3E068_webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Some of us on the list are getting hung up on the CG range as a perce= nt of mean aerodynamic chord.  To an aircraft designer, expessing the= CG range this way is used for preliminary design purposes only --we want= to make sure that we have a usable product that can support real world lo= ading conditions, and also to know where the landing gear needs to be.&nbs= p; (It's bad when the airplane falls on its tail when the pilot throws a= suitcase in the back...)
 
Once the airplane is built and in flight test, we determine the real= CG limits by ballasting the airplane to different CGs and doing the follo= wing:
 
1)  Determining the maximum forward CG by determining where tail= power becomes insufficient to flare on landing.  This is actually no= t hard to calculate and simply verify during flight tests.
 
2)  Determining the aft CG at which the handling qualities becom= e unacceptable.  As I mentioned in an earlier posting, this depends= on the intended pilot population (is it a trainer or an advanced fighter= jet) and its mission (is it a trainer, a Bonanza-class airplane or an air= liner).  This is very difficult to determine analytically, hence the= intial reliance on rules of thumb.  (Since you can't calculate it pr= ecisely, you might as well use a quick estimate that's just as good.)
 
Again, rules of thumb (such as a range of 15% - 30% MAC -- this depen= ds on airfoil section and the aft-loaded NLF airfoils are different from= the NACA 65-series, for example) are used only to estimate those actual= CG limits which are verified in flight test.
 
Scott Krueger is abolutely right when he says that there are multiple= factors which influence pitch sensitivity, not all of which were mentione= d in the CAFE reports.  First and foremost is CG.  Other factors= are (in the 320 series) the elevator bellcrank arm and the tail size.&nbs= p; And then there are odd airplanes like Dom Crain's, which has the pitch= damping of a large tail but (I'm guessing) the tail power of the small ta= il.  He likes it.
 
Here's one suggestion to non-builder owners of 320 and 360 airplanes.=   If you think the pitch sensitivity is too high, measure the distanc= e between the elevator axis of rotation and the bolt hole to which the ele= vator pushrod is attached.  There were two versions of this bellcrank= .  Original ones had a longer distance and the newer ones were 1 inch= shorter.  I have a copy of the Lancair factory newsletter in the han= gar addressing this change and I'll post it in the next week or so. = The shorter distance gives higher stick forces but less control stick thr= ow.  You will notice the stick force change but probably not the chan= ge in stick throw.  You can modify your bellcrank without replacing= it, if you want.  You just drill one hole, although you'll have to= remove at least one elevator (maybe both) in order to do it, and you shou= ld check the rigging afterwards to make sure the neutral position is still= where you want it.  Elevator range of motion will be unaffected but= with the elevator in trail the stick might be tilted forward or aft a lit= tle.
 
- Rob Wolf

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