Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #55713
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Small tail, MK II tail, CG range
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 05:57:11 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Bill,
We definitely have too many MACs out there:  mean aerodynamic centers vs. chords.  Both start out as integrals which can degenerate to averages for simple geometry, like Hershey bar wings.  The combination of washout and sweep make the calculation of the mean aerodynamic center a bit more challenging.
CG is a mass property and only moves if you burn fuel, move something in the plane or get up to use the rest room (not in a Lancair of course).  All forces, including moments, about the CG must vanish for steady unaccelerated flight.  The neutral point is a parameter important to stability and best be safely behind the CG otherwise you'll have one of those Wright Flyer experiences.
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std


 


From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 4:08:18 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Small tail, MK II tail, CG range

Unless we are talking about MAC and cheese, or the Mickey D kind of MAC, the aircraft MAC is the Mean Aerodynamic Chord.  This MAC is the width of the wing when measured through the center of the wing in the forward-aft direction.  On a plane like a Piper, this is just the width of the wing.  With a more complicated wing design like the Lancair it is the average of this measurement.  That is where the word “Mean” comes from.  This measurement has nothing to do with the “neutral point”.  It really just describes how effectively wide the wing is.  The CG (Center of Gravity) is the point around which the airplane balances (or would balance) if it is sitting on its wheels.  (Maybe that is a “neutral point”?)  This CG is calculated when the plane is motionless on the ground and on scales.  It is not the CG that the plane is operating with when it is in flight because the horizontal stabilizer is usually designed to place a down force on the plane, which will have the effect of moving the CG backward in cruise.  That is why the CG is specified to be in the front 25% of the wing width (MAC) in the specs.

 

When we determine thru the Weight and Balance calculations, the CG, we have no idea what the CG of the plane will be in flight because as the angle of attack moves the Center of Lift forward and aft, and the horizontal stabilizer adds and removes loads, we have no way of calculating or knowing how these forces are moving.  Hopefully the aircraft designer did all this when he specified the CG range that we should keep the plane in when it is on the ground and on its wheels.  I suggest we stay inside these recommendations.

 

Bill B

 

 

 




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