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X-ExtScanner: Niversoft's Winmail.dat filter Received: from smtp.mail.wowway.com ([64.8.70.55] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4383998 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:21:36 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.8.70.55; envelope-from=dannymiller@wowway.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Spam-Rating: None X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=loOBabuKPcxCzrVCg4sPCXB0BBV4Zs/CFFVagApqoFE= c=1 sm=0 a=guSm0_I8JuMA:10 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=Rzah6qz8ADa106hEaZQA:9 a=jqqzAhQY1ZmePIeEou8A:7 a=rijNmWBc4iJVU8YTV40N8-PW6bwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=BRMU1rtX_0lrJDOD:21 a=N-Ia_ESZxlf3TzWF:21 a=QP5IY3kgAAAA:8 a=2HSJvrISvvsxwYrzkWcA:9 a=dYDnT8ILEtE6iTeJ8PHkHCZaxgoA:4 a=zEoJXyrrGmEA:10 a=XzS9PEuovlTAsaFrlE4kRA==:117 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Received: from [69.14.248.120] ([69.14.248.120:4837] helo=DannyLaptop) by smtp.mail.wowway.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.40 r(29895/29896)) with ESMTP id F1/AC-06577-A77B43C4; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:20:59 -0400 From: "Danny Miller" X-Original-To: Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 320 partial build X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 13:20:51 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <015201cb1df8$bfd6c750$3f8455f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0153_01CB1DD7.38C52750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acsd+L+IDt7Mk7YrQCq0/Nn4sB+SUw== Content-Language: en-us X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000008A33E0B39BF5B74F8206E1B693E860B0E4A03400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0153_01CB1DD7.38C52750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, You bring up some very good points to consider. By my estimate, I'd consider this a/c about 50%. But this gentleman counts only the time he spends actually working on it, nothing for prep, set up or any research times. I haven't yet looked at the engine log books so I don't know who overhauled it. That will also help set an offer price as will the prop AD. Radios & DME I'll most likely sell it on ebay and then upgrade to a Kings. I'm still old school (dual navcoms & DME) because my last log book entry was in 1995 and have never had the pleasure of flying with the latest technologies. That's something I need to research. The Mountain Scope is a GPS moving map display; seemed like a nice toy but can't be used for navigation. Since I'm in an incognito living arrangement with very few distractions (no family) I can work on it uninterrupted and often. It's the MkII tail. Engine mount...not sure but another good question to ask. The gear has the donuts so I'll need to learn more about the Ong's deboingers. If anybody has some info on these please send it my way. The header tank is closed out and needs to be pressure tested, there's no sight gage and I don't know about the switches yet. The canopy, although not yet attached, is provisioned for front hinges. Danny On the prowl for the right 320/360 project From: "Bill N5ZQ" Sender: Subject: RE: [LML] Thoughts on a 320 partial build Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:04:59 -0400 To: lml@lancaironline.net Danny, I checked out a partial build today claimed to be about 80% complete (& 80% to go). It's a fast build kit; wings are still open, top panels of the center section still open This doesn't sound like anywhere near 80% to me. That doesn't mean that it's not a good buy, just that there's still an awful lot of work left to do. , not wired for auto pilot yet but east to get at, good. removable header tank for easy access, very good rudder pedals need to be replaced with adjustable, at this stage, changing out the rudder pedals would not be a huge project and, in my opinion, the adjustable rudders are far superior not just because they're adjustable but because they require a much narrower subfloor. The subfloor then can be lowered making for more shin room under the panel and a more comfortable leg position for most folks. needs interior, fuel lines, magnetos (I'll go with electronic), yes, consider P-Mags gear door installation, elevator trim wiring, paint and some misc. parts, 0 time overhauled O-320 including Rotec Throttle Body Injection, Hmmm, zero timed means that it was rebuilt by Lycoming in Williamsport, PA. They put a Rotec Throttle Body on it???? Who really did the overhaul? As an A&P, you know that there can be vast differences between a "shade tree" overhaul and a factory or other reputable shop overhaul. 1st overhaul? New or overhauled cylinders? New camshaft? prop gov, new fuel pump, 0 time Hartzell HC-82VL-1 prop with spinner (has an AD on the shank that needs to be inspected (cost unknown), Obviously you'll check this out before making an offer. dual Narco digital comms, Narco 890 DME, Narco transponder, 7" TFT touch screen running Mountain Scope, Narco Nav 11, audio panel with intercom, full flight instruments, engine instruments and fuel management/ Sounds a little like these may be some older radios. Do you really want a DME today? What is a Mountain Scope? If this is Blue Mountain...lots of guys have had a bunch of trouble with these. What do you mean by "fuel management"? gear panel, ailerons still open, I'd estimate less than 20 degrees swing on the rudder but he said the vertical fin trailing edge can be trimmed to adjust, Make damn sure that the rudder travel restrictions are just due to needing a little skin trimming. This is an important one. left rear window still out for easy access. good, easy to put in later All the workmanship appears to be pretty good and I have a lot of composite experience so I think can judge it. Excellent, good workmanship is way more important than equipment, etc. In my opinion I think it's probably a good winter project to finish it. Yep, the only question is how many winters :-) Any thoughts you may have on what else to look for/at would be appreciated. Does it have small or MKII tail? As you have seen, there is plenty of opinion on both sides of this question. As you know, I prefer the small tail but even I wouldn't pass up an otherwise good deal just because it had a big tail. On the other hand, I wouldn't pay a dime more for a big tail. Does it have the long engine mount. The original small mount pushed the accessory case right up to, and in some cased through, the firewall (remember the "dog dish" for the governor?) The long mounts are getting pretty hard to find. I'd consider the long mount to be a strong positive. Does it have the "Ong's deboingers"? The original rubber doughnuts are quite hard and provide very little shock absorption. I'm not sure if Tim is still making the deboingers, anybody out there know? Is the header tank closed out yet? If so, were provisions built in for float switches so that you can fabricate an automatic system to keep the header between full and almost full without pilot intervention? An automatic system is very easy IF you have the float switches built in. If closed, run a pressure test on it (will it hold 1 psi overnight?) Provisions for sight gauge? Forward hinged canopy? This seems to be the preferred configuration and offers several advantages. I'm sure that you'll get many more hints and suggestions from the members of this august body, but these are the few that I could think of. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,800 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction Subscribe: Feed , Digest , Index . 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