X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s21.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.160] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4381268 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 11:44:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.160; envelope-from=bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Received: from SNT139-W44 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:43:56 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ff072594-be69-4065-a1a6-a827f210e75e_" X-Originating-IP: [71.111.125.230] From: Bill Kennedy X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: 320/360 MK II tail X-Original-Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 08:43:56 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2010 15:43:56.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0D36040:01CB1C58] --_ff072594-be69-4065-a1a6-a827f210e75e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Dramatic" is a snap roll like the F-105 would do in a deep stall without t= he ball centered. It's easy to recover=2C but not a wonderful flight charac= teristic. Plenty of warning -- lots of pre-stall buffeting. I wouldn't cont= emplate changing tails (small to large or large to small). Too much work an= d too little gain. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon=2C 5 Jul 2010 08:51:46 -0400 From: gt_phantom@hotmail.com Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 MK II tail =20 If the power off stall in your plane is "dramatic=2C" then it is different than either my small tail 320 or my previous 235. Then again=2C we might just have a different definition of "dramatic." To me "dramatic" would be the stall characteristics of a T-38 or F-4=2C not these wonderful and responsive toys. =20 :-)=20 If you like your plane=2C that is what is important. For myself=2C there isn't much that I would change about my plane even if I could - unless it were to add yet more power. But then=2C that's something you can never have too much of. All I really know is that I love my plane=2C which happens to be a small tail=2C and given that I love it like it is I wouldn't want to give up even 2 knots for a change that a) won't change my flying pleasure one bit and b) might make my plane less rugged and c) might interfere with my communications. But hey=2C this is the experimental world and the beauty is that we can all say=2C "I want to do this differently." Cheers all Bill On 14:59=2C Bill Kennedy wrote: I've got the larger=2C carbon fiber tail on my 320. In spite of your opinion=2C it doesn't seem much like any Cessna I've flown. My guess is that it flies a lot like the small tail version=2C except it has better elevator response over a broader speed range. Being carbon fiber=2C it may not have added any weight=2C but I don't really know. =20 My notion is that Lancair didn't "...mess up a good thing"=2C but fixed a bad thing. I've been very happy with the flying qualities of N42BK except for its rather dramatic power off stall characteristics (which I cannot imagine being any better with the small tail). =20 Bill Kennedy N42BK=2C 599.6=20 =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri=2C 2 Jul 2010 07:28:51 -0400 From: anpfield@sbcglobal.net Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 MK II tail =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Well said=2C Bill Rumburg!!! Don=92t mess up a good thing. =20 =20 Pete Field 320=2C Small Tail N775DX=2C St. Louis =20 =20 =20 =20 From: William Rumburg [mailto:lancair403@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Thursday=2C July 01=2C 2010 5:45 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] 320/360 MK II tail =20 =20 =20 Many have cut off (and continue to cut off) the original 320 'small' elevator/horizontal stabilizer. The 320/360 is a sport plane and i= t's a shame to cut off or abandon the origional elevator/horizontal stabilizer and replace it with the heavy MK II elevator/horizontal stabilizer=2C turning it into a 'Cessna'=2C as dictated by the Austalian CAA ...a SHAME!=20 =20 =20 I built and have flown a 320 with the original elevator/horizontal stabilizer for twelve years. It's a sport plane and NOT a Cessna! =20 =20 =20 Bill Rumburg =20 =20 n403Wr (Sonic bOOm) =20 =20 =20 The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html= =20 _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox= . http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=3DPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O= N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3= --_ff072594-be69-4065-a1a6-a827f210e75e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Dramatic" is a snap roll like the F-105 would do in a deep stall without t= he ball centered. It's easy to recover=2C but not a wonderful flight charac= teristic. Plenty of warning -- lots of pre-stall buffeting. I wouldn't cont= emplate changing tails (small to large or large to small). Too much work an= d too little gain.

To: lml@lancaironline.net=
Date: Mon=2C 5 Jul 2010 08:51:46 -0400
From: gt_phantom@hotmail.com<= br>Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 MK II tail

=20 If the power off stall in your plane is "dramatic=2C" then it is different than either my small tail 320 or my previous 235. =3B Then again=2C we might just have a different definition of "dramatic." =3B T= o me "dramatic" would be the stall characteristics of a T-38 or F-4=2C not these wonderful and responsive toys. =3B :-)

If you like your plane=2C that is what is important. =3B For myself=2C = there isn't much that I would change about my plane even if I could - unless it were to add yet more power. =3B But then=2C that's something you can never have too much of.

All I really know is that I love my plane=2C which happens to be a small tail=2C and given that I love it like it is I wouldn't want to give up even 2 knots for a change that a) won't change my flying pleasure one bit and b) might make my plane less rugged and c) might interfere with my communications.

But hey=2C this is the experimental world and the beauty is that we can all say=2C "I want to do this differently."

Cheers all

Bill



On 14:59=2C Bill Kennedy wrote:
I've got the larger=2C carbon fiber tail on my 320. In spite of your opinion=2C it doesn't seem much like any Cessna I've flown. My guess is that it flies a lot like the small tail version=2C except it has better elevator response over a broader speed range. Being carbon fiber=2C it may not have added any weight=2C but I don't really know.

My notion is that Lancair didn't "...mess up a good thing"=2C but fixed a bad thing. I've been very happy with the flying qualities of N42BK except for its rather dramatic power off stall characteristics (which I cannot imagine being any better with the small tail).

Bill Kennedy
N42BK=2C 599.6

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Fri=2C 2 Jul 2010 07:28:51 -0400
From: anpfield@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [LML] Re: 320/360 MK II tail

= Well said=2C Bill Rumburg!!! =3B Don=92t mess up a good thing. =3B

=  =3B

= Pete Field

= 320=2C Small Tail

= N775DX=2C St. Louis

=  =3B

From= : William Rumburg [mailto:lancair403@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday=2C July 01=2C 2010 5:45 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] 320/360 MK II tail

 =3B

Many have cut off (and continue to cut off= ) the original 320  =3B'small' elevator/horizontal stabilizer. The 320/360 is a =3Bsport plane and it's = =3Ba shame to cut off or abandon the origional elevator/horizontal stabilizer and =3Breplace =3Bit with the heavy MK II elevator/horizontal stabi= lizer=2C turning it into a =3B'Cessna'=2C as dictated by the Austalian CAA ...a =3BSHAME!

I built =3Band have flown a =3B320= with the original elevator/horizontal stabilizer for twelve years. =3BIt's a sport plane = and NOT a Cessna!
 =3B

Bill Rumburg

n403Wr (Sonic bOOm)


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