X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.15] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4381377 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:50:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.15; envelope-from=n5zq@verizon.net Received: from userb4f768e51f ([unknown] [173.72.167.62]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L5300E57LMX4FU4@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Reply-to: From: "Bill N5ZQ" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Thoughts on a 320 partial build X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:50:04 -0400 X-Original-Message-id: <2BFF29A37B7946E1A45165D58D624334@userb4f768e51f> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CB1C51.5AB5BE60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CB1C51.5AB5BE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Danny, I checked out a partial build today claimed to be about 80% complete (& 80% to go). It's a fast build kit; wings are still open, top panels of the center section still open This doesn't sound like anywhere near 80% to me. That doesn't mean that it's not a good buy, just that there's still an awful lot of work left to do. , not wired for auto pilot yet but east to get at, good. removable header tank for easy access, very good rudder pedals need to be replaced with adjustable, at this stage, changing out the rudder pedals would not be a huge project and, in my opinion, the adjustable rudders are far superior not just because they're adjustable but because they require a much narrower subfloor. The subfloor then can be lowered making for more shin room under the panel and a more comfortable leg position for most folks. needs interior, fuel lines, magnetos (I'll go with electronic), yes, consider P-Mags gear door installation, elevator trim wiring, paint and some misc. parts, 0 time overhauled O-320 including Rotec Throttle Body Injection, Hmmm, zero timed means that it was rebuilt by Lycoming in Williamsport, PA. They put a Rotec Throttle Body on it???? Who really did the overhaul? As an A&P, you know that there can be vast differences between a "shade tree" overhaul and a factory or other reputable shop overhaul. 1st overhaul? New or overhauled cylinders? New camshaft? prop gov, new fuel pump, 0 time Hartzell HC-82VL-1 prop with spinner (has an AD on the shank that needs to be inspected (cost unknown), Obviously you'll check this out before making an offer. dual Narco digital comms, Narco 890 DME, Narco transponder, 7" TFT touch screen running Mountain Scope, Narco Nav 11, audio panel with intercom, full flight instruments, engine instruments and fuel management/ Sounds a little like these may be some older radios. Do you really want a DME today? What is a Mountain Scope? If this is Blue Mountain...lots of guys have had a bunch of trouble with these. What do you mean by "fuel management"? gear panel, ailerons still open, I'd estimate less than 20 degrees swing on the rudder but he said the vertical fin trailing edge can be trimmed to adjust, Make damn sure that the rudder travel restrictions are just due to needing a little skin trimming. This is an important one. left rear window still out for easy access. good, easy to put in later All the workmanship appears to be pretty good and I have a lot of composite experience so I think can judge it. Excellent, good workmanship is way more important than equipment, etc. In my opinion I think it's probably a good winter project to finish it. Yep, the only question is how many winters :-) Any thoughts you may have on what else to look for/at would be appreciated. Does it have small or MKII tail? As you have seen, there is plenty of opinion on both sides of this question. As you know, I prefer the small tail but even I wouldn't pass up an otherwise good deal just because it had a big tail. On the other hand, I wouldn't pay a dime more for a big tail. Does it have the long engine mount. The original small mount pushed the accessory case right up to, and in some cased through, the firewall (remember the "dog dish" for the governor?) The long mounts are getting pretty hard to find. I'd consider the long mount to be a strong positive. Does it have the "Ong's deboingers"? The original rubber doughnuts are quite hard and provide very little shock absorption. I'm not sure if Tim is still making the deboingers, anybody out there know? Is the header tank closed out yet? If so, were provisions built in for float switches so that you can fabricate an automatic system to keep the header between full and almost full without pilot intervention? An automatic system is very easy IF you have the float switches built in. If closed, run a pressure test on it (will it hold 1 psi overnight?) Provisions for sight gauge? Forward hinged canopy? This seems to be the preferred configuration and offers several advantages. I'm sure that you'll get many more hints and suggestions from the members of this august body, but these are the few that I could think of. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,800 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CB1C51.5AB5BE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Danny,


I = checked out a=20 partial build today claimed to be about 80% complete (& 80%
to = go). =20 It's a fast build kit; wings are still open, top panels of the
center = section=20 still open

This doesn't sound like anywhere = near 80%=20 to me. That doesn't mean that it's not a good buy,  just that = there's still=20 an awful lot of work left to do.


, not wired for auto = pilot=20 yet but east to get at,        = good.


removable header tank for easy access,     = very good

 rudder pedals need to be replaced with adjustable,   = at this stage, changing out the rudder = pedals would not=20 be a huge project and, in my opinion, the adjustable rudders are far = superior=20 not just because they're adjustable but because they require a much = narrower subfloor. The subfloor then can be lowered making for more shin = room=20 under the panel and a more comfortable leg position for most=20 folks.

 needs interior, fuel lines, magnetos (I'll go with = electronic), =20 yes, consider P-Mags

gear door installation, elevator trim wiring, paint and some
misc. = parts,=20 0 time overhauled O-320 including Rotec Throttle = Body
Injection,  =20 Hmmm, zero timed means that it was rebuilt by = Lycoming in=20 Williamsport, PA. They put a Rotec Throttle Body on it????  Who = really did=20 the overhaul? As an A&P, you know that there can be vast differences = between=20 a "shade tree" overhaul and a factory or other reputable shop overhaul. = 1st=20 overhaul? New or overhauled cylinders?  New camshaft?

 prop gov, new fuel pump, 0 time Hartzell HC-82VL-1 prop = with
spinner=20 (has an AD on the shank that needs to be inspected (cost unknown), Obviously you'll check this out before making an = offer.

dual Narco digital comms, Narco 890 DME, Narco transponder, 7" TFT=20 touch
screen running Mountain Scope, Narco Nav 11, audio panel with = intercom,=20 full
flight instruments, engine instruments and fuel = management/  Sounds a little like these may be some older = radios.  Do you=20 really want a DME today? What is a Mountain Scope? If this is Blue=20 Mountain...lots of guys have had a bunch of trouble with these. What do = you mean=20 by "fuel management"?

gear panel,
ailerons still open, I'd estimate less than 20 degrees = swing=20 on the rudder
but he said the vertical fin trailing edge can be = trimmed to=20 adjust,  Make damn sure that the rudder = travel=20 restrictions are just due to needing a little skin trimming. This is an=20 important one.

left
rear window still out for easy access.  good, easy to put in later

All the workmanship appears to be
pretty good and I have a lot of=20 composite experience so I think can judge
it.  Excellent, good workmanship is way more important than = equipment,=20 etc.

In my opinion I think it's probably a good winter project to finish = it. Yep, the only question is how many winters = :-)


Any thoughts you may have on what else to look for/at would be=20 appreciated.  Does it have small or MKII = tail? As you=20 have seen, there is plenty of opinion on both sides of this question. As = you=20 know, I prefer the small tail but even I wouldn't pass up an = otherwise good=20 deal just because it had a big tail. On the other hand, I wouldn't = pay a=20 dime more for a big tail.

Does it have the long engine mount. The = original small=20 mount pushed the accessory case right up to, and in some cased through, = the=20 firewall (remember the "dog dish" for the governor?) The long mounts are = getting=20 pretty hard to find. I'd consider the long mount to be a strong=20 positive.

Does it have the "Ong's deboingers"? The = original rubber=20 doughnuts are quite hard and provide very little shock absorption. I'm = not sure=20 if Tim is still making the deboingers, anybody out there = know?

Is the header tank closed out yet? If so, were = provisions=20 built in for float switches so that you can fabricate an automatic = system to=20 keep the header between full and almost full without pilot intervention? = An=20 automatic system is very easy IF you have the float switches built = in.=20  If closed, run a pressure test on it (will it hold 1 psi = overnight?)=20 Provisions for sight gauge?

Forward hinged canopy? This seems to be the = preferred=20 configuration and offers several advantages.

 

I'm sure that you'll get many more hints and = suggestions=20 from the members of this august body, but these are the few that I could = think=20 of.

 

Bill Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 1,800 hrs

N6ZQ  IV under construction

 

 

 
 






 

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