Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #55184
From: Charlie Kohler <charliekohler@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Pressurization problem
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:24:58 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Good morning Tim,

I had a similar case where the outflow valve rebounded open when closed manually. I found that when I removed the valve and examined it closely I found a very slight amount of dirt and debris on the rubber lip that seals the valve. When I tried to push it close with my finger it would not stay closed. I used alcohol and wiped the rubber and seat until clean. Then when I moved the valve with my finger it would stay closed.

 

Re: Wiring/testing.

There are two grounds provided to open the outflow valve bypassing the controller. One is the landing gear handle (Ha- as if we could pressurize in the traffic pattern with 10" MP) --and the second is through the dump switch. Either one of these switches provide a ground to should cause the outflow valve to move open. 

It is called the airspeed switch (added by Lancair) in this wiring diagram. In testing you must be certain that there is no ground applied to terminals 13 and terminals 4 because that overrides the controller and starts the motor to open the outflow valve. It is called the solenoid vacuum valve.


 

Charlie K.
 
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From: Robert Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 7:59:34 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Pressurization problem

Tim wrote:

Cabin won’t pressurize.  Visitor shopping for a 4P was sitting in cabin with a battery charger on the battery supposedly studying the cheltons but I suspect he was pushing every button and switch he could.  Now pressure valve won’t close.  I can hear the dump switch and gear handle switch both clicking in the valve but it doesn’t move up or down.  Removed the valve and checked for travel.  I can manually close it on the bench but it immediately opens again.  With pressurized air flowing in (vacume cleaner hooked up in reverse) I can depress the valve with my fingers and almost get it to seal but it immediately opens.  Is there another safety switch in the pitot system somewhere?  Any idea where?

I’d appreciate any advice.

Thanks,

Tim, N524JG,  LNC4P, Ser# 411

 

Tim,

Are you sure you by-passed the gear-down switch? That’s the most likely cause of “pressurization dump” when the gear is down.  You can test this by pulling the hydraulic pump circuit breaker; then  [CAREFULLY and COMPLETELY] bleeding down the hydraulic system with the flaps. (You can add a safety factor by putting a length of  2x2 wood in the nose gear scissors.) When the hydraulic pressure is zero, by-pass the gear down-lock solenoid and raise the gear handle. Then test the system again.  In my airplane (depends on how the system is wired, but this is “standard”), the switch that controls the down-lock also controls power to the pressure controller.  Could a wire have come off one side of this switch…it’s behind the left side of the center vertical console, just below the gear operating lever. Your report of “clicking” above would seem to have already validated this part of the system, but worth checking twice…) Sorry I don’t have another idea…

 

BE SURE TO GET THE GEAR HANDLE BACK DOWN BEFORE RESTORING POWER TO THE HYDRAULIC SYSTEM.

 

Bob

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