Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53942
From: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: io-550 vs. tsio-550 differences?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:18:56 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

 

>>I certainly agree with George in his comments in that a well-designed intercooler will offer significant performance benefits at altitudes like 18,000.  When I said "marginal benefit" I was referring to benefit in a more global sense.  It all depends on how much of the operation is conducted at 18,000 feet.  From my experience I would guess it would be very, very rare for someone to spend 50% of of the total hours at or near 18,000.  A 4-hour flight will spend maybe 30 minutes in climb and 3 minutes in descent from 18,000 for 50% spent at 18,000.  A serious cross-country flier might be there for, what, 20%?  And then how much of that time is spent at 30 inches manifold pressure, burning close to 30 GPH? <<

 

Ah.. I think I see the problem.  How much time  is spent at 30 “ MAP ?  In the fleet of well over 1,500  turbonormalized airplanes that TAT supports  - - - the amount of time in cruise that is spent at 30”  MAP is  very close to 100% of climb and cruise.  Essentially everything but descent and landing.  But it is not spend at 30 gph.  It is spent at about 16.5 to 17.5 gph.   Essentially,   WOTLOPSOP.

 

And,  the climbs are more typically 15 to 18 minutes, not 30 minutes.   And the portion of a 4 hour flight that will be spent at altitude at 30” WOTLOP will be  around 3 hours.  And a very large percentage of those owners fly those aircraft at altitude a large percentage of the time.

 

In short,  the current generation  turbonormalized  aircraft are very very different from the low compression engine operations at reduced manifold pressures that you are referring to and which I spent thousands of hours pursuing back in the 1960s, 70s and 80s .

 

 

 

>> At lower manifold pressures the higher inlet temperatures are not as detrimental as they are at full power, where they limit the power output.  In other words, 25 inches with a 150F inlet might be equivalent in power - and nearly equivalent in efficiency - to 24 inches at 100F inlet. <<

 

I can tell you that it has been more than 13 years since I deliberately operated a  turbocharged engine at 24 or 25” in cruise,  or at anything less than 29.x “ MAP in cruise.   That is a terrible waste of a good engine and turbocharger to do that!

 

 

>> Another thing to be aware of - the inlet air temperature does not exactly match the temperature of the inlet charge as it is trapped in the cylinder, which is, after all, what counts.  Tests I have seen show that the charge is heated about halfway to the cylinder temperature.  If the cylinder temp is 300F and the incoming charge is 100 the resulting charge temperature is about 200.  Increase the inlet temp from 100 to 200 and the trapped charge will  be at 250, only 50 higher.  While no one is truly an average operator, my point was that chasing the optimum performance at 18,000 feet may not be worth the cost and development expense.  Depends on your goals.  All flights involve operation below 10,000 feet while a limited number involve operation above 18,000. <<

 

If you are operating the airplane WOTLOP at 8000 feet,  on a hot summer day,  a good  intercooler will drop the induction air temperature around 80d F.     That may mean the induction air temp is down around 80dF rather than up around 160dF.   That provides a huge margin in protection from detonation - - even when operating at lower altitudes.

 

 

>> When flying my TR182 on a lot of cross-countries I flew between 12 and 15 a lot, but flew above 18,000 only a couple of times in 5 years.  Like in the drug commercials, these comments are directed only at turbonormalized nonpressurized oxygen-equipped aircraft operated in non-commercial environments.  Oh, yeah - and by "average" resource-limited owners :-)  <<

 

>>I'm not sure I agree with George when he says that "Intercoolers have large benefits  - - - even at sea level."  In this case the turbo is producing negligible pressure, so the temperature rise is dependent only on the heat picked up going through the turbo and the small compression heating when the turbo has to overcome its own flow restriction.  This is also true when cruising at less than 10,000 feet at reduced manifold pressure.  Is the added weight, cost and aerodynamic drag more of a detriment than the cooling is a benefit?

Gary <<

 

Consider this example:  Non intercooled.   Denver/Centennial.  August.  110dF on the runway.   Full power takeoff.   30” MAP. 

 

Ask yourself what the induction air temperature is with a typical compressor operating off its design point at about  60-65% efficiency ?

 

Then ask if you would like to have an intercooler, or not ? 

 

Then try the same thing at Durango.

 

Regards,  George

 

 

 

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