X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:18:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c4) with ESMTP id 4033007 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:12:08 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.78.142; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBL5BU36003466 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:30 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.c05.74e7150a (37558) for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.97]) by cia-mb03.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB037-d3cd4b2f037ca1; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:27 -0500 Received: from webmail-m022 (webmail-m022.sim.aol.com [64.12.183.103]) by smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC017-d3cd4b2f037ca1; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:25 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Firewall X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:24 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.70.141 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC50132D0F1B04_3ED4_D0A0_webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 30109-STANDARD Received: from 24.107.70.141 by webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com (64.12.183.103) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:11:24 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CC50132D07F6E1-3ED4-689A@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CC50132D0F1B04_3ED4_D0A0_webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Paul, The smoke hoods are good products but were not used by the Valujet crew.= The military crews had O2 masks on. Control was lost when flight control= systems were quickly compromised. You are going to need to put the intume= scent material on the interior of the cowl and in the nose gear tunnel. So= me one mentioned going fast and blowing the flames out. If it is fuel fed= that will be an impossibility. Jeff Jeff -----Original Message----- From: paul miller To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 6:34 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Firewall Jeff: Did the topic of smoke hoods enter into the discussion at any time?= I kept a few lightweight cannisters (EVAC-U8) hoods in the TBM 700 sinc= e the descent from flight levels would be at least 3 minutes at 10,000 fpm= . I also kept them in our condo for stair evacuation in the event of fire= . They are cheap and I believe have a 10-year life. The product I bough= t is now sold by DuPont and might be interesting to anyone who might want= to buy some extra time in a smoke situation, whether in an airplane, airl= ine, hotel or other location. I don't have them in the Legacy but this di= scussion has reminded me that it is cheap insurance so I'll get another tw= o. Here's the product I bought but I notice Aircraft Spruce 2 different= types and not the evac-u8. =20 http://thetravelinsider.com/travelaccessories/evacu8smokehood.htm Paul Miller Spruce Creek FL Legacy N357V On 2009-12-20, at 2:44 AM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: I investigated three inflight fires in 1996 including the Florida Everglad= es Valujet crash. No one had more than 5 minutes from discovery of fire= to loss of control. Trying to get to an airport is an impossiblity unless= you are on a one mile final. Get it on the ground asap. =20 Jeff =3D=20 =3D ----------MB_8CC50132D0F1B04_3ED4_D0A0_webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Paul,
 
The smoke hoods are good products but were not used by the Valujet cr= ew. The military crews had O2 masks on. Control was lost when flight contr= ol systems were quickly compromised. You are going to need to put the intu= mescent material on the interior of the cowl and in the nose gear tunnel.= Some one mentioned going fast and blowing the flames out. If it is fuel= fed that will be an impossibility.
 
Jeff
 
Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: paul miller <paul@tbm700.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, Dec 20, 2009 6:34 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Firewall

Jeff: Did the= topic of smoke hoods enter into the discussion at any time?   I kept= a few lightweight cannisters (EVAC-U8) hoods in the TBM 700 since the des= cent from flight levels would be at least 3 minutes at 10,000 fpm.  I= also kept them in our condo for stair evacuation in the event of fire. &n= bsp;They are cheap and I believe have a 10-year life.   The product= I bought is now sold by DuPont and might be interesting to anyone who mig= ht want to buy some extra time in a smoke situation, whether in an airplan= e, airline, hotel or other location.  I don't have them in the Legacy= but this discussion has reminded me that it is cheap insurance so I'll ge= t another two.   Here's the product I bought but I notice Aircraft Sp= ruce 2 different types and not the evac-u8.  


Paul Miller
Spruce Creek FL
Legacy N357V

On 2009-12-20, at 2:44 AM, vtail= jeff@aol.com wrote:

I investigated three infl= ight fires in 1996 including the Florida Everglades Valujet crash. No one= had more  than 5 minutes from discovery of fire to loss of control.= Trying to get to an airport is an impossiblity unless you are on a= one mile final. Get it on the ground asap.
 
Jeff


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