X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:44:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c4) with ESMTP id 4030139 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:24:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.147; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBJ5NKFj012065 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:20 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.d5c.552c4684 (34911) for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.104]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA028-b2d34b2c6343243; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:15 -0500 Received: from webmail-m075 (webmail-m075.sim.aol.com [64.12.141.33]) by smtprly-me03.mx.aol.com (v127.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME032-b2d34b2c6343243; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:15 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Firewall X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:15 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 66.220.104.170 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC4E827FEC381A_3C24_2024D_webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 30109-STANDARD Received: from 66.220.104.170 by webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com (64.12.141.33) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:23:15 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CC4E827FE2B282-3C24-1008D@webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CC4E827FEC381A_3C24_2024D_webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I investigated three inflight fires in 1996 including the Florida Everglad= es Valujet crash. No one had more than 5 minutes from discovery of fire= to loss of control. Trying to get to an airport is an impossiblity unless= you are on a one mile final. Get it on the ground asap. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Joe Trepicone To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:52 am Subject: [LML] Re: Firewall Below is Brad Simmon's actual account of the how well a fire blanket did.= You may want to read it again and do what you -as the manufacturer of yo= ur aircarft- feel is best.=20 =20 We are in the process of repairing a IVP engine fire that was centered on= the passenger aft side of the engine compartment, and the firewall blanke= t just barely did it's job. There is signifigant scorching around the peri= meter, through every penetration, and around the cowl attach flange. =20 Brad Simmons Airframes Inc. Milan,=20 =20 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:18 AM, "Steve Colwell" wrote= : =20 Years ago Van=E2=80=99s tested several factory built RV=E2=80=99s for smok= e penetration of the firewall. I remember they were amazed how much smoke= they got thru what they thought were pretty tight electrical, cable and= misc. fittings in a ground simulation. They tightened up the obvious hol= es and used High Temp Silicone and still had an unacceptable volume of smo= ke coming in. =20 =20 Fire or even an oil leak might have smoke that could prevent breathing lon= g enough or obscure vision or be enough of a distraction (pick one or more= ) to set up a fatal scenario. This could have been a factor in the Watson= ville crash.=20 =20 Steve Colwell Legacy=20 =20 =20 =3D=20 ----------MB_8CC4E827FEC381A_3C24_2024D_webmail-m075.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I investigated three infl= ight fires in 1996 including the Florida Everglades Valujet crash. No one= had more  than 5 minutes from discovery of fire to loss of control.= Trying to get to an airport is an impossiblity unless you are on a= one mile final. Get it on the ground asap.
 
Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Trepicone <aviation@trepicone.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Fri, Dec 18, 2009 9:52 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Firewall

Below is Brad Simmon's actual account of the how well a fire blanket= did.  You may want to read it again and do what you -as the manufact= urer of your aircarft- feel is best. 
 
We are in the process of repairing a IVP engine= fire that was centered on the passenger aft side of the engine compartmen= t, and the firewall blanket just barely did it's job. There is signifigant= scorching around the perimeter, through every penetration, and around the= cowl attach flange.
 
Brad Simmons
Airframes Inc.
Milan, 
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 18, 2009, at 10:18 AM, "Steve Colwell" <mcmess1919@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Y= ears ago Van=E2=80=99s tested several factory built RV=E2=80=99s for smoke= penetration of the firewall.  I remember they were amazed how much= smoke they got thru what they thought were pretty tight electrical, cable= and misc. fittings in a ground simulation.  They tightened up the ob= vious holes and used High Temp Silicone and still had an unacceptable volu= me of smoke coming in. 
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F= ire or even an oil leak might have smoke that could prevent breathing long= enough or obscure vision or be enough of a distraction (pick one or more)= to set up a fatal scenario.  This could have been a factor in the Wa= tsonville crash.
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S= teve Colwell  Legacy
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