X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:37:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.49.114] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with SMTP id 4024443 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:33:47 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.190.49.114; envelope-from=mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 11735 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Dec 2009 21:33:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ol45zsviLdGFsx1FP314MiQbZX9Na8hv3OwnYIW5vdx2uUZWAVmYiFGB2+/0novTqmOSW1G88ydPJbEbGcIgMC+zpkfHfKeWbhwH8v4++0cz7LfhwndRxpbUFN/78WCoEjJjHihOw0wlDgLey4R8tCs5kiRE7M1Nab/hGSx+FOo=; X-Original-Message-ID: <859592.10554.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: sab4z80VM1lf_oai7dDVaxnS9Yt_q8cJkrp_I.ZP7CAE7Y7glLRS0ORYBjO801pqo2jJqytglE8j5bezTJF_rHLoivOxWthQs4B1xV9Ux3g8abVdEKbAf.0fiYjD69oCZc5QafURpAva4Z9WlsDSbikAK.2_smfQLzmCTMI2nFgFOfXV68gTKVQrgWosq3v2lcB6q5rtptwNZ3Z.WrH72cTNtqQ5lQgiM9JHD69ct9A_oh_O5cTgSuy9PSPkgmkIwsB7OY19.0DyLO5BTfi9S23rgkHbl9Kuve0UxQPXM87WHY9VhUwbsQ_C5UG9Xikd04XM0IA5dY0A97AyzJQW5TH.GUYwJ.3zPIFmSm0JlyciW6ElqpPjVaFCmHgjgMMP.JCFqbHn Received: from [12.155.58.181] by web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:33:12 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matt losangeles Subject: Re: [LML] Re: io-550 vs. tsio-550 differences? X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No way it will fit. Also needs a custom exhaust. Nothing a dremel tool, fib= erglass, resin and LOTS of time can't fix though.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original= Message ----=0AFrom: Douglas Brunner =0ATo: = lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Wed, December 16, 2009 12:32:54 PM=0ASubject:= [LML] Re: io-550 vs. tsio-550 differences?=0A=0AYes, but can you fit it in= to a Legacy cowling????=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bra= ly" =0ATo: =0ASent: Wednesday, Dec= ember 16, 2009 10:02 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: io-550 vs. tsio-550 difference= s?=0A=0A=0AAh... you could buy a=A0 TN IO-550 engine and have exactly what = you want.=0A=0AIt already has all of that stuff you are worried about.=0A= =0AIntercoolers, fuel pump, throttle, GAMIjector(R) fuel injectors, pressur= ized magnetos, and all the little details.=0A=0AThere are over 900 of them = flying, and parts support is superb (ask me how I know).=0A=0AThey have bet= ter intercooler efficiencies than the TCM TSIO-550.=0A=0AThey run on signif= icantly less fuel=A0 than TCM TSIO-550s at the same BHp.=0A=0AThey run cool= er than a TCM TSIO-550 at the same BHp.=0A=0AThey can be made to run at VER= Y high horsepower (Sport Class winning BHp levels at Reno if you find someo= ne who really understands the engines and knows how to get them set up righ= t for that demanding activity.)=0A=0AAnd they are able to use an electronic= waste gate controller designed for that engine.=0A=0AThere is a pending ST= C application with the FAA to authorize their use on certified aircraft wit= h G100UL fuel.=0A=0AI know where one complete engine and turbo system is si= tting, ready to be installed.=0A=0A. . . Just a thought.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----= -Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironli= ne.net] On Behalf Of Rick Titsworth=0ASent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 7:41= AM=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject: [LML] Re: io-550 vs. tsio-550 di= fferences?=0A=0ASubtle item, but the sniffle value is also different.=0AAls= o obvious, but not mentioned, the intercoolers and associated plumbing.=0A= =0AI can't imaging buying all the individual turbo items at TCM spare part= =0Acosts would be any advantage.=A0 For example, the small sniffle value al= one is=0A$1,000.=0A=0AYou'll also need a strategy/approach on the sonic noz= zles.=A0 Popular opinion=0Ais that they are needed (required) for the waste= gate to function properly=0A(dynamic response issue) and/or to prevent tur= bo stalls.=A0 However, that=0Ameans you're likely just bleeding some pressu= rized (boosted) air overboard,=0Awhich is essentially wasted fuel economy.= =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lm= l@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Matt=0Alosangeles=0ASent: Monday, Decembe= r 14, 2009 10:52 PM=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubject: [LML] io-550 vs.= tsio-550 differences?=0A=0ADoes anybody know the differences between the i= o-550 vs the tsio-550?=0A=0ASo far this is what I have determined:=0A=0Aio-= 550 8.5 compression vs tsio-550 7.5 compression=0Adifferent fuel pump on ts= io with aneroid and a reference port=0Adifferent injectors with reference p= orts on tsio=0Atsio has a scavange pump lines and turbos.=0Adifferent exhau= st obviously=0Atsio has wastegate and fancy expensive stuff to control it= =0Atsio has a different throttle body part#=0A=0AThe reason I ask is I am t= rying to create a turbo normalized io-550 and I am=0Anot sure if I should g= et an io-550 core and add the tsio fuel pump,=0Ainjectors, scavange pump an= d turbos.=0AI could also get a tsio-550 core and put different pistons/cyli= nders on it.=0AI suspect the cylinders are the same and the pistons are the= only=0Adifference.=0A=0AI also talked with Continental about this and supp= osedly the throttle body=0Ais different between the two but they could not = say why. Only that they had=0Adifferent part#'s. They did say that somethin= g as simple as a 45 vs. a 90=0Adegree fitting or different color paint can = cause a different part# with=0Atheir stuff so there is a chance that the th= rottle body on the two is=0Amechanically the same. I was wondering if anyon= e knew the differences=0Abetween the two.=0A=0AAlso, which core would likel= y be the better to get, io-550 or the tsio-550.=0A=0AThis engine is going o= n a Legacy so I am comparing the io-550G or N vs. the=0Atsio-550c.=0A=0ATha= nks for any info you might have on this.=0A=0AMatt=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor a= rchives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A= =0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lm= l/List.html=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:= 81/lists/lml/List.html=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lanc= aironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A=0A=0A=0A