Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53715
From: F. Barry Knotts <bknotts@buckeye-express.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Vne discussion
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:12:15 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I haven't seen much on Mmo.  In fact, this is the first time I've heard of a limiting mach number for the IV-P.  My Chilton PFD shows any mach above .35 at the top of the airspeed tape.  I've seen .44 in cruise at altitude.  (I giggled like a little girl.)  Now I'm a little concerned that the "hard" Mmo should be placarded so as not to exceed it in a cruise power (usual) descent.

Barry Knotts
N4XE, LIV-P, Conti TSIO-550

Frederick Moreno wrote:

 
When Brent Regan and I were racing his Lancair IV Denver to Oshkosh (1996, 97 as I recall), the descent profile was Mach limited initially starting at 27,000 feet using a hard limit of Mach 0.58.  This was chosen because the factory aircraft was test flown to Mach 0.6 and we did not want to enter the unknown.  This Mach number (I had to compute it in those early days – no Mach displays then) was held until the IAS built to Vne (274 knots IAS) and this IAS was held to the bottom of descent, all occurring at 90-100% power. The  maximum cruise speed at 27,000 was about 320 knots TAS (corrected for temperature and compressibility effects) and Mach 0.52. As I recall, it only required 200-300 feet per minute initial descent at the high power setting to drive the Mach number up to 0.58, so the descent started out very flat, and the built up as the air got thicker.  I think we hit Vne at about 12-14,000 feet and the maximum descent rate near the bottom of descent was off scale on the VSI.  It sounded quite different from cruise and caused the hair on the back of the neck to stand up a bit particularly since much of the descent was in IMC. 

 

Key point for you IVP guys: It does not take much nose down high altitudes and high power settings to push you up to Mmo, the maximum allowable Mach number.

 

Y’all be careful out there.

 

Fred

 


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