X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:16:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f228.google.com ([209.85.220.228] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4010606 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:13:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.228; envelope-from=keith.smith@gmail.com Received: by fxm28 with SMTP id 28so5441970fxm.5 for ; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:13:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uoPqGtRzOnYTXVIXKBCIF57ZdHZZYOM3NhoOmTzhW7wlq0esYsbLnlZt/viJFqNAaM K/js6ZgskLMGyKjIblpCdqQ2imaP6SedRltHUeiphGbfft3o3w5kD1bLFmkUXXmrK5Q7 ebnpejEza54hB1W7FIT+qCkISozAWNz8st9UQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.102.171.21 with SMTP id t21mr952863mue.107.1260285192230; Tue, 08 Dec 2009 07:13:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:13:12 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <705847490912080713t705b2f91ke63bea656e370f80@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: basic aerobatics in a 360 From: Keith Smith X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Bill Kennedy wrote: >I've always > though the lazy-eight is a great maneuver with the Lancair, and I've never > experienced any hickup doing them. I've only just started reading the commercial maneuvers section, but as it turns out, I've also been enjoying lazy-eights for some time in the Lancair :) I usually gain 900-1000ft at the 90deg point, and then trade it all back by the end of the 180. It feels like a very natural way to stretch the legs of the airplane without a great deal of stress on the pilot/airframe, or any abrupt change in direction. > Add slow flight maneuvering to your regimen. It's a great way to stall proof > yourself and make your coordinated control inputs nearly instinctive. Agreed. I've been flying at a range of airspeeds, sometimes during instrument approaches, but also when puttering around VFR. The range of speeds with which the airplane can fly is really quite amazing. > Most of the non-normal flight maneuvers I do are limited to lazy-eights > (they're a thing of beauty), chaundels (sp), and extreme slow-flight. They > all have a very direct pay-off in developing a real feel for the airplane at > very low risk. I'm going to start formally practicing the commercial maneuvers (I've done most of them from time to time, but I think it's time to bring a bit more focus to them). I have to say lazy-eights are a lot more fun when started from 100ft, not 1500 :) I am also going to guess they're considerably easier, because there is no mistaking what 0ft looks like, whereas 1500ft looks much like 1300, 1500, or 1700ft. I love being able to sense the rate of closure to the water and timing the smooth pull so that the plane levels out precisely where you want it. > > Statistics suggest that there are significant risks involved for you doing > this stuff. Make sure it pays off. Absolutely, it's not something I'm approaching lightly. The other day, I took the plane out to the place where I intended to try my first roll, but I didn't pull the trigger. I didn't feel completely prepared, and I wasn't positive that I successfully maintain positive G. I was concerned that the cabin (which had a lot of loose items) would get pretty chaotic. So, I scrapped the plan and decided to seek some advice here first, AND prepare the cabin for next time (removing all loose items, per the POH and common sense). If I was more proficient, I would say that maneuvers which maintain positive G wouldn't require a barren cabin, if the pilot has the experience (which I do not, yet). Thanks for the insight, Bill! Keith