X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:24:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4001580 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:34:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.56; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-152-252-52.mco.bellsouth.net[70.152.252.52]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with SMTP id <20091204023359H0600nusn6e>; Fri, 4 Dec 2009 02:33:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [70.152.252.52] From: "Bill Bradburry" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:33:59 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7460.537AA730" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acp0K0vxJg7B9jRYSQiTVH9l/vRlcAAXpr+g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01CA7460.537AA730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VNE is marked as a red line on the airspeed indicator. That would not be possible if true airspeed was the speed factor. It is indicated airspeed that matters. Bill B _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chat Daniel Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:14 AM To: lml Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number Concerning the discussion of whether VNE is a function of indicated or true airspeed, I recall reading that U2 pilots operated in the "coffin corner" of some 5-10 MPH where stall was lower limit and VNE and wings come off the upper. To me that seems like true air speed would be limit on VNE. Chat Daniel Super ES From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Skip Slater Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:21 AM To: lml Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number "One IVP was lost years ago when it exceeded Vne." Gene Long's ES also broke up in flight when it exceeded VNE during it's inexplicable descent from cruse altitude a year an a half ago. 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VNE is marked as a red line on the airspeed indicator.  = That would not be possible if true airspeed was the speed factor.  It is = indicated airspeed that matters.

 

Bill B 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chat Daniel
Sent: Thursday, December = 03, 2009 10:14 AM
To: lml
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is = NOT a meaningless number

Concerning = the discussion of whether VNE is a function of indicated or true airspeed, I = recall reading that U2 pilots operated in the “coffin corner” of = some 5-10 MPH where stall was lower limit and VNE and wings come off the = upper.  To me that seems like true air speed would be limit on = VNE.

 <= /o:p>

Chat = Daniel

Super = ES 

 <= /o:p>

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Skip Slater
Sent: Thursday, December = 03, 2009 6:21 AM
To: lml
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is = NOT a meaningless number

 

"One IVP was lost years ago when it exceeded = Vne."

 

Gene Long's ES also broke up in flight when it = exceeded VNE during it's inexplicable descent from cruse altitude a year an a half = ago.

 

The fact it this:  No amount of pilot skill will = save a plane once flutter begins to break it apart.  If you knowingly = exceed VNE, you are a test pilot and the only way you'll know you went too fast is = as your plane is going down in pieces.  Pilots who willfully ignore = manufacturer established limitations are accidents looking for a place to = happen.  Pilots who brag about such exploits deserve a very wide = berth.

 

I have to wonder what the instructors from HIPAT and = LOBO would have to say on this subject.  If they're listening, I hope = they'll chime in.

 

Skip Slater 

 

 

 

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CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email transmission may = contain information that is proprietary, privileged, and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. This = communication represents the originator's personal views and opinions, which do not necessarily reflect those of Century Bank & Trust. This email and = its attachments are believed to be free of any virus or defect, but it is = the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that this is true. Century = Bank does not accept responsibility or liability for any loss or damage arising in = any way from the receipt or use of this email or for any errors or omissions = in its contents which may arise as a result of its transmission. Any use, = copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient = or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are the = intended recipient, you must treat the information in confidence and in = accordance with all laws related to the privacy and confidentiality of such information. = If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the = sender immediately by return email and delete all copies of this email, = including all attachments. Thank You.

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