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Actually, we are not "test pilots". We are pilots who fly amatuer built ai=
rcraft.=20

Jeff





-----Original Message-----
From: Randy <randystuart@hotmail.com>
To: lml
Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2009 5:19 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number


I will agree with your statement that we are "Test pilots". But as an expe=
rimental aircraft pilot we are ALL considered test pilots. The experimenta=
l certification is: Every flight is a test flight. That's why we perform=
 a "Conditional use" every annual. That's why we aren't constrained to PMA=
's TSO's STC's 8130, etc. as certified aircraft are.=20
Ok, I admit it.... I'm a test pilot.... And proud of it.=20
=20
Randy Stuart
LNC-2
"Test Pilot"

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Skip Slater=20
To: lml=20
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:21 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number


"One IVP was lost years ago when it exceeded Vne."
=20
Gene Long's ES also broke up in flight when it exceeded VNE during it's in=
explicable descent from cruse altitude a year an a half ago.
=20
The fact it this:  No amount of pilot skill will save a plane once flutter=
 begins to break it apart.  If you knowingly exceed VNE, you are a test pi=
lot and the only way you'll know you went too fast is as your plane is goi=
ng down in pieces.  Pilots who willfully ignore manufacturer established=
 limitations are accidents looking for a place to happen.  Pilots who brag=
 about such exploits deserve a very wide berth.
=20
I have to wonder what the instructors from HIPAT and LOBO would have to sa=
y on this subject.  If they're listening, I hope they'll chime in.
=20
Skip Slater=20
=20
=20


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<div>Actually, we are not "test pilots". We are pilots who fly amatuer bui=
lt aircraft. </div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Jeff</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><br>
<br>
<br>
&nbsp;</div>


<div style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: arial">-----Orig=
inal Message-----<br>
From: Randy &lt;randystuart@hotmail.com&gt;<br>
To: lml<br>
Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2009 5:19 am<br>
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number<br>
<br>


<div id=3DAOLMsgPart_2_e42a49eb-29bd-44bc-960a-2b6f528e02db>

<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>I&nbsp;will agree wi=
th your statement that we are "Test pilots". But as an experimental aircra=
ft pilot we are ALL considered test pilots. The experimental certification=
 is: Every flight is a test flight. That's why we perform a "Conditional=
 use" every annual. That's why we aren't constrained to PMA's TSO's STC's=
 8130, etc. as certified aircraft are. </FONT></EM></STRONG></div>


<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Ok, I admit it....=
 I'm a test pilot.... And proud of it. </FONT></EM></STRONG></div>


<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4></FONT></EM></STRONG=
>&nbsp;</div>


<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Randy Stuart</FONT><=
/EM></STRONG></div>


<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>LNC-2</FONT></EM></S=
TRONG></div>


<div><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>"Test Pilot"</FONT><=
/EM></STRONG></div>

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<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>


<div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B=
>From:</B> <A title=3Dskipslater@verizon.net href=3D"mailto:skipslater@ver=
izon.net">Skip Slater</A> </div>


<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dlml href=3D"mailto:l=
ml">lml</A> </div>


<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 03, 2009=
 3:21 AM</div>


<div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a mea=
ningless number</div>


<div><br>
</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"One IVP was lost years ago when it excee=
ded Vne."</FONT></div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gene Long's ES also broke up in flight wh=
en it exceeded VNE during it's inexplicable descent from cruse altitude a=
 year an a half ago.</FONT></div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The fact it this:&nbsp; No amount of pilo=
t skill will save a plane once flutter begins to break it apart.&nbsp; If=
 you knowingly exceed VNE, you are a test pilot and the only way you'll kn=
ow you went too fast is as your plane is going down in pieces.&nbsp; Pilot=
s who willfully ignore manufacturer established limitations are accidents=
 looking for a place to happen.&nbsp; Pilots who brag about such exploits=
 deserve a very&nbsp;wide berth.</FONT></div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to wonder what the instructors fro=
m HIPAT and LOBO would have to say on this subject.&nbsp; If they're liste=
ning, I hope they'll chime in.</FONT></div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Skip Slater</FONT>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</div>


<div><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</div>
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