X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:13:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c3) with ESMTP id 4000537 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:30:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (imo-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.139]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB3DU0uK032062 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:30:00 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.ccc.61e7b669 (34933) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA046-5c454b17bd521; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:29:57 -0500 Received: from magic-d09.mail.aol.com (magic-d09.mail.aol.com [172.19.180.75]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA013-5c454b17bd521; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:29:54 -0500 From: sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:29:54 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bb3.541c6da.38491752_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 155 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 67.175.242.202 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.180.75 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_bb3.541c6da.38491752_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Dom, =20 Ah so!. I am just an ordinary low altitude, bad attitude pilot. Early= on=20 I studied what it meant to be operating a GA aircraft above 18,000 ft. = To=20 me, the drawbacks weren't worth the effort for my planned missions and th= e=20 purpose of flights where I would be PIC. Thus, I remain below that =20 altitude and have forgotten all the considerations for flight above it.= My mind=20 is a small, capacity limited device which requires frequent cleaning in= =20 order to pack in new stuff.=20 =20 Your "old" friend, =20 Scott =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 12/3/2009 5:22:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, =20 domcrain@tpg.com.au writes: =20 Dom =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D chap=20 Grayhawk, OLDER chap (heh heh), et al as well,=20 Just because I took another step into the future a week ago, no =E2=80=93= two weeks=20 ago.=20 Seems to me that Vne definition is related to a visible connection to the= =20 pilot =E2=80=93 i.e., the ASI. Having instant TAS read-out hasn=E2=80=99t= altered that and=20 I didn=E2=80=99t mention that while flogging along in the jet above FL260= plus the=20 Vmo/Mmo represented by the barbers pole reduces the Vmo but the Mmo=20 remains the same.=20 In the Lancair, which I refer to as the =E2=80=9Cpoor man=E2=80=99s affor= dable jet=E2=80=9D,=20 those of us who remain below 10,000 feet need only refer to the Vne repre= sented=20 on the ASI. If you are in a higher performing Lancair at altitude=20 particularly the IVP and again the turbo, then limiting Mach No. must be= considered=20 I should think.=20 Yeah.=20 Right.=20 That=E2=80=99s it for now.=20 Ciao=20 Dom --part1_bb3.541c6da.38491752_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
Dom,
 
Ah so!.  I am just an ordinary low altitude, bad attitude pilot.=  =20 Early on I studied what it meant to be operating a GA aircraft above= 18,000=20 ft.  To me, the drawbacks weren't worth the effort for my planned mis= sions=20 and the purpose of flights where I would be PIC.  Thus, I remain belo= w that=20 altitude and have forgotten all the considerations for flight above= =20 it.  My mind is a small, capacity limited device which requires frequ= ent=20 cleaning in order to pack in new stuff. 
 
Your "old" friend,
 
Scott  
 
In a message dated 12/3/2009 5:22:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 domcrain@tpg.com.au writes:

Dom=20 =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D chap<= /P>

 Grayhawk, OLDER=20 chap (heh heh), et al as well,

 Just because I=20 took another step into the future a week ago, no =E2=80=93two weeks=20 ago.

 Seems to me that=20 Vne definition is related to a visible connection to the pilot =E2=80=93= i.e., the=20 ASI. Having instant TAS read-out hasn=E2=80=99t altered that and I didn= =E2=80=99t mention that=20 while flogging along in the jet above FL260 plus the Vmo/Mmo represented= by=20 the barbers pole reduces the Vmo but the Mmo remains the=20 same.

In the Lancair,=20 which I refer to as the =E2=80=9Cpoor man=E2=80=99s affordable jet=E2=80= =9D, those of us who remain=20 below 10,000 feet need only refer to the Vne represented on the ASI. If= you=20 are in a higher performing Lancair at altitude particularly the IVP and= again=20 the turbo, then limiting Mach No. must be considered I should=20 think.

Yeah.

Right.

That=E2=80=99s it for=20 now.

Ciao

Dom

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