X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:21:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.9.25] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with SMTP id 3903616 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:29:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.13.9.25; envelope-from=mattreeves@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 32589 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2009 04:29:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=W+f9oLmqYHBaqLZR6HZc7KF4xCibcOhuFrxUQ6AbeqmJmWKB1dwTLjJpawV0rUiTpueRYbH4n5weJXbh8UZnzclpHcxvkCW223OwbiYLa6tiTYtn4dGDlF9XGULshwFWAxzqLfbNQGqktDmbq3W0+polgF/GGzs/fLgvO0K/TEs=; X-Original-Message-ID: <577823.31363.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: n2AmYaEVM1lcqBOasu.0VzXhlagz5PEhCq5ROxxFwShVOcYTxpxKbq4Pv9jTMvENVWwGCnV6zRpi_.CQjG3xhorztI9KAoUXTeAAyzZnZ_I8AWKN13HyK2V7NowrNvUMvEopObsljyg2Lg29P2hD7Nige.lOjxhIYQtMZlUWo6_X_9g8IpHtMeXB5pLovYk7UjK2Qqt3S3fHcc2wqvWb.H9TV9tlHQbaQqRpZ_Vi8G6B4vPO1ndqUW7zQcd7qdXXLCX6loz5CNeHDuSMrqQAxeOWo.PmDqz9zWToTP3ytJVcff5ldN5DGbqH7JMMSCPgfrQEw2uwBylyIhMHkxp_xMBTESF4OVP478mMzL5yAIk1zL.l6KFjd.1ESH.rfEDyqJrzXqAt.kd8LqDx1Occ2wEzrFu3IXBzuHqjwHN0vKiB7KUa6Qo7Pqy3CEmZzw-- Received: from [74.34.211.8] by web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:29:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/7.0.14 YahooMailWebService/0.7.361.4 X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Reeves Subject: Re: [LML] Re: N127EM First Flight X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1368884783-1256790547=:31363" --0-1368884783-1256790547=:31363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bryan, Thank you so much!!!=A0 My heart was pumpin just reading your details.=A0 T= hat is so cool.=A0 I did have the exact same problem on my first flight wit= h the oil temps.=A0 Originally I had the oil cooler on the firewall with a = 3 inch hose coming off CYL in front of the pilot.=A0 Not enough cool air wa= s going through the air cooler.=A0 I ended up putting in a NACA just for th= e oil cooler and moved it so it wasn't such a bend in the hose for air to r= ush through the oil cooler.=A0 This definitely did the trick.=A0=A0=A0 I di= d test the vernatherm - can't remember if that's how you spell it.=A0 Worke= d fine so the answer was definitely the NACA.=A0 I tried it in two location= s till I got the best one.=A0 I do think others have the oil cooler up fron= t and think that works best.=A0=A0 90F though is a hot day.=A0 My first fli= ght was 26F and I still had 240F oil temp so I'm glad it wasn't 90F.=A0=20 Let me know if you need pictures and thank you so much for the really aweso= me details!!!=A0 I can't tell you how excitement like that fills my mind an= d helps me get through crappy and rainy days like today! Your story was a true inspiration!!!=A0 You are definitely and proud new da= d. Matt --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Bryan Wullner wrote: From: Bryan Wullner Subject: [LML] Re: N127EM First Flight To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 6:43 AM You want more details here they are.I am not qualified to test fly the airp= lane so I enlisted the help of another Lancair owner and pilot at my airfie= ld. He did a test run last week and everything looked ok so we planned to d= o the test flight a week later on Sunday 10/25.=0ATypical nice sunny sunday= afternoon in Southern CA. I was finishing up some last minute checks on th= e airplane and about 130PM the test pilot showed up at the hangar and was r= eady to go. It was pretty hot (90) and the winds were starting to pick up.= =0AEven though I wasn't flying the airplane I was very nervous. I started t= o question why I put myself through all this. I can say with 100% certaint= y that I would never do a first flight and the people who do have some seri= ous skills and confidence!!! =0AI wasted no time getting the plane out of t= he hangar and the pilot jumped in. After a few minutes of going over some t= hings he was started up and taxing out. I hoped in the airport ops truck an= d followed him out. =0AWe had a chase plane lined up (another lancair 360) = and he was getting ready to go as well. After run up and one high speed ru= n down the runway N127EM taxied back to the hold short for take off.This wa= s it.......I watched thru binoculars as the power came in and the speed sta= rted to build. We followed the airplane down the runway and finally it pop= ped into the air and the ground was falling away.=0AThe climb was a little = shallow as the pilot indicated the temps were climbing and he was trying to= control them. He leveled off at 680 feet and started a turn to downwind. = I heard him tell tower he was coming back for landing and my heart dropped.= But then he radioed back and said he was going to stay out a bit. He climb= ed higher to 2000 feet. The tower said they couldn't pick up the transponde= r.....I watched the plane thru the binoculars as it passed overhead and all= looked good. He kept the speed at 120 knots incase he need to drop the gea= r and head for the runway quickly. The chase plane was up but never really = got a chance to get close as after about 7 minutes he radio'd in and said h= e was coming back in for landing. =0AIt was pretty windy and tower was repo= rting low level windshear. I could see N127EM coming in on final a little = high and with the gear up. He was trying to cool things off and see if the = oil temp would come down. Sure looked good coming in all cleaned up. Event= ually he dropped the gear and came over the fence at 95 knots. Slowed to 8= 5 over the threshold and finally let it bleed off and settle down for a ver= y nice gentle landing. WOW I couldn't believe my airplane FLIES!!!!!=0AThe = pressure was off and I couldn't wait to get a report. I felt much relief.He= taxied back and reported the airplane handled great but the Temps were an = issue. For those wondering the oil hit 240. The CHT hit 404 but those came = down as the climb was reduced. =0ANow I have some trouble shooting to do wi= th the oil and cht's and soon we will give it another go. Nothing else wron= g with it though, which is good!! On the drive home I called my wife and a few close friends who I knew actua= lly cared that my plane was flying and told them the good news. Got home go= t a beer and kicked back on the couch thinking about what just happened. = =0AThe coolness factor didn't actually hit me until the following day. The= day of was soo nerve racking I didn't get to enjoy it. I dont know if the Test Pilot wants to be mentioned but I think its deservi= ng. I hope he doesn't mind. A BIG THANK YOU to Denis Conkey for bravely goi= ng where most men never want to go!!!!! =0A BryanN127EM On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Matt Reeves wrote: =0ABryan, CONGRATULATIONS!!!! But you are not going to get away with THAT. As alwa= ys, we need more details. Like, how was the day, what was it like to open = the hangar door that day, how fast was your heart going, did you video it, = what were you feeling, etc. etc. etc. =0A When I first flew my 320 about 1 1/2 years ago, I had done several hours of= taxi tests and when I actually took off, it was so cool - and soooo fun bu= t I remember looking down at my hangar going by in almost a blur and seeing= how small it was and thinking, "cool, I'm really flying" This thing reall= y flies!! =20 =0A I remember climbing up to about 5000 feet and doing some turns and thinking= this is the coolest plane on the planet. So responsive, so sexy, so worth= it!!! Yes, I pre-planned everything including places to land at=0A differ= ent altitudes if I lost my engine. I even GPS'd possible landing spots, du= e to winds, etc, and had local volunteer fire people all around. And for = everyone who wants to lecture me about doing my own flight testing, I did h= ave some very valuable 320 time with a great friend from Norfolk and it wor= ked out great!! The 320 is a great airplane and one of the best looking a= irplanes ever. =0A So, please - send more info!! Looks like a beautiful plane to be proud of!! My 320 is down for paint for= at least one more month so please, we need more info!!! Matt --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bryan Wullner wrote: =0A From: Bryan Wullner Subject: [LML] N127EM First Flight =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 9:16=0A AM N127EM took flight on 10/25/09 for the first time in its life. Very short f= light due to some high oil temps and slightly high CHT but other than that = all went well. =0ANow just have to figure out why the high temps.=0ABryan= =0A =0A -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =0A =0A=0A =20 =0A=0A=0A=0A --0-1368884783-1256790547=:31363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bryan,

Thank you so much!!!  My h= eart was pumpin just reading your details.  That is so cool.  I d= id have the exact same problem on my first flight with the oil temps. = Originally I had the oil cooler on the firewall with a 3 inch hose coming = off CYL in front of the pilot.  Not enough cool air was going through = the air cooler.  I ended up putting in a NACA just for the oil cooler = and moved it so it wasn't such a bend in the hose for air to rush through t= he oil cooler.  This definitely did the trick.    I did= test the vernatherm - can't remember if that's how you spell it.  Wor= ked fine so the answer was definitely the NACA.  I tried it in two loc= ations till I got the best one.  I do think others have the oil cooler= up front and think that works best.   90F though is a hot day.  My first flight was 26F and I still had 240F oil temp so I'm gl= ad it wasn't 90F. 


Let me know if you need pictures and th= ank you so much for the really awesome details!!!  I can't tell you ho= w excitement like that fills my mind and helps me get through crappy and ra= iny days like today!

Your story was a true inspiration!!!  You = are definitely and proud new dad.

Matt

--- On Wed, 10/28/0= 9, Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
Subject: [= LML] Re: N127EM First Flight
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesda= y, October 28, 2009, 6:43 AM

You want more = details here they are.
I am not qualified to test fly the airplane so I= enlisted the help of another Lancair owner and pilot at my airfield. He did a test run last week and everything looked ok so we planned to do the = test flight a week later on Sunday 10/25.
=0A
Typical nice sunny s= unday afternoon in Southern CA. I was finishing up some last minute checks = on the airplane and about 130PM the test pilot showed up at the hangar and = was ready to go. It was pretty hot (90) and the winds were starting to pick= up.
=0A
Even though I wasn't flying the airplane I was very nervo= us. I started to question why I put myself through all this. I can say wit= h 100% certainty that I would never do a first flight and the people who do= have some serious skills and confidence!!!
=0A
I wasted no time = getting the plane out of the hangar and the pilot jumped in. After a few mi= nutes of going over some things he was started up and taxing out. I hoped i= n the airport ops truck and followed him out.
=0A
We had a chase = plane lined up (another lancair 360) and he was getting ready to go as well= . After run up and one high speed run down the runway N127EM taxied back t= o the hold short for take off.
This was it.......I watched thru b= inoculars as the power came in and the speed started to build. We followed= the airplane down the runway and finally it popped into the air and the gr= ound was falling away.
=0A
The climb was a little shallow as the p= ilot indicated the temps were climbing and he was trying to control them. = He leveled off at 680 feet and started a turn to downwind. I heard him tell= tower he was coming back for landing and my heart dropped. But then he rad= ioed back and said he was going to stay out a bit. He climbed higher to 200= 0 feet. The tower said they couldn't pick up the transponder.....I watched = the plane thru the binoculars as it passed overhead and all looked good. He= kept the speed at 120 knots incase he need to drop the gear and head for t= he runway quickly. The chase plane was up but never really got a chance to = get close as after about 7 minutes he radio'd in and said he was coming bac= k in for landing.
=0A
It was pretty windy and tower was reporting= low level windshear. I could see N127EM coming in on final a little high = and with the gear up. He was trying to cool things off and see if the oil t= emp would come down. Sure looked good coming in all cleaned up. Eventually= he dropped the gear and came over the fence at 95 knots. Slowed to 85 ove= r the threshold and finally let it bleed off and settle down for a very nic= e gentle landing. WOW I couldn't believe my airplane FLIES!!!!!
=0AThe pressure was off and I couldn't wait to get a report. I felt much rel= ief.
He taxied back and reported the airplane handled great but t= he Temps were an issue. For those wondering the oil hit 240. The CHT hit 40= 4 but those came down as the climb was reduced.
=0A
Now I have so= me trouble shooting to do with the oil and cht's and soon we will give it a= nother go. Nothing else wrong with it though, which is good!!
On the drive home I called my wife and a few close friends who = I knew actually cared that my plane was flying and told them the good news.= Got home got a beer and kicked back on the couch thinking about what just = happened.
=0A
The coolness factor didn't actually hit me until t= he following day. The day of was soo nerve racking I didn't get to enjoy i= t.

I dont know if the Test Pilot wants to be menti= oned but I think its deserving. I hope he doesn't mind. A BIG THANK YOU to = Denis Conkey for bravely going where most men never want to go!!!!!
= =0A

Bryan
N127EM


On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Matt Reeve= s <m= attreeves@yahoo.com> wrote:
=0A
Bryan,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!! But you are not going to get a= way with THAT. As always, we need more details. Like, how was the day, wh= at was it like to open the hangar door that day, how fast was your heart go= ing, did you video it, what were you feeling, etc. etc. etc.
=0A
When= I first flew my 320 about 1 1/2 years ago, I had done several hours of tax= i tests and when I actually took off, it was so cool - and soooo fun but I = remember looking down at my hangar going by in almost a blur and seeing how= small it was and thinking, "cool, I'm really flying" This thing really fl= ies!!
=0A
I remember climbing up to about 5000 feet and doing some= turns and thinking this is the coolest plane on the planet. So responsive= , so sexy, so worth it!!! Yes, I pre-planned everything including places t= o land at=0A different altitudes if I lost my engine. I even GPS'd possibl= e landing spots, due to winds, etc, and had local volunteer fire people all= around. And for everyone who wants to lecture me about doing my own flig= ht testing, I did have some very valuable 320 time with a great friend from= Norfolk and it worked out great!! The 320 is a great airplane and one of= the best looking airplanes ever.
=0A
So, please - send more info!!
Looks like a beautiful plane to be proud of!! My 320 is down for pai= nt for at least one more month so please, we need more info!!!

Matt<= br>
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A
From: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>

Subject: [LML] N1= 27EM First Flight
=0A
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 9:= 16=0A AM


N127EM took flight on 10/25/09 = for the first time in its life. Very short flight due to some high oil temp= s and slightly high CHT but other than that all went well.
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No= w just have to figure out why the high temps.
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Bryan
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