X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nlpi157.prodigy.net ([207.115.36.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3818411 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:33:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.36.171; envelope-from=Wendell@solesbeeauto.com Received: from userpy6telul28 (adsl-63-197-35-114.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.197.35.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi157.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/map_regex/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n7JIX7DF018756 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:33:08 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <671C4FF0435A4DDBBAC177F40B1670E8@userpy6telul28> Reply-To: "Wendell Solesbee" From: "Wendell Solesbee" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: OSH arrival X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:33:09 -0700 Organization: Solesbee Auto Crafts, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA20C0.D3DA4FF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA20C0.D3DA4FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We did the same, no probem. Wendell Solesbee IVP N4LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Craig Gainza=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival The warbird arrival is the best way to go. We call in black and white = Lancair over Fond du Lac and have never been questioned. This year they = asked us if we could keep our speed up in front of the mass arrival of = 40+ RV's. No problem! We were out of the airplane at Aeroshell square before the RV's = landed. Craig and Sandy Gainza IV-P =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:24:00 -0400 From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 nope--not at all=20 -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case at earthlink To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:52 am Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 do you actually have to lie to get the warbird arrival? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wendell Solesbee=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 I used the warbird arrival this year with no problems. I reported at = Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and was cleared to land on = runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were no problems. IN 2008 = when using the FISK arrival I had to go around three times. When I tried = to extend out to give myself some room someone would cut in front of = me.On the last go around I passed a bonanza on about a one mile final = and landed ahead of him. That experience made me decide to use the = warbird arrival the next year and it worked great. =20 Wendell Solesbee IVP N4LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Brunner=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 Bill, I absolutely agree with you. I avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun = n Fun for much the same reasons as you detail below. Tried to get the warbird arrival last year. I even arranged it = with the tower at Fond du Lac. On my way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if = I was a Warbird - I honestly told them I was not - they told me I could = not have the warbird arrival. I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" = - they asked me if I was a turbine - again I replied honestly and they = told me I could not have the "turbine arrival". I was forced to make a = short pattern and land on the taxiway - which actually worked OK. I don't think the Oshkosh controllers have any idea about the V = speeds of the planes they are controlling. Their emphasis is on getting = everyone in as quickly as possible whether safely or not. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01CA20C0.D3DA4FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We did the same, no probem.
 
Wendell Solesbee IVP N4LK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Craig = Gainza
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 = 1:32=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH = arrival

The warbird arrival is the best way to go.  We = call in=20 black and white Lancair over Fond du Lac and have never been = questioned. =20 This year they asked us if we could keep our speed up in front of the = mass=20 arrival of 40+ RV's.  No problem!

We were out of the = airplane at=20 Aeroshell square before the RV's landed.

Craig and Sandy=20 Gainza
IV-P 

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:24:00 = -0400
From:=20 vtailjeff@aol.com
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

nope--not = at all=20


-----Original Message-----
From: Colyn Case at = earthlink=20 <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: = Mon, Aug=20 17, 2009 6:52 am
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

do you actually have to lie to get = the warbird=20 arrival?
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Wendell Solesbee To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net = Sent:=20 Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:49 PM Subject:=20 [LML] Re: OSH arrival

I used the warbird arrival this = year with no=20 problems. I reported at Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and = was=20 cleared to land on runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there = were no=20 problems. IN 2008 when using the FISK arrival I had to go = around three=20 times. When I tried to extend out to give myself some room someone = would cut=20 in front of me.On the last go around I passed a bonanza = on about=20 a one mile final and landed ahead of him. That experience made = me=20 decide to use the warbird arrival the next year and it worked=20 great.  
 
Wendell Solesbee IVP  = N4LK
-----=20 Original Message ----- From:=20 Douglas Brunner = To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net = Sent:=20 Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM Subject:=20 [LML] Re: OSH arrival

Bill,
 
I absolutely agree with = you.  I avoid=20 flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for much the same reasons as you = detail=20 below.
 
Tried to get the warbird arrival = last=20 year.  I even arranged it with the tower at Fond du = Lac.  On my=20 way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if I was a Warbird - I honestly = told them I=20 was not - they told me I could not have the warbird = arrival.  I=20 then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me if I was a = turbine=20 - again I replied honestly and they told me I could not have the = "turbine=20 arrival".  I was forced to make a short pattern and land on = the=20 taxiway - which actually worked OK.
 
I don't think the Oshkosh = controllers have=20 any idea about the V speeds of the planes they are = controlling. =20 Their emphasis is on getting everyone in as quickly as possible = whether=20 safely or not.
 
 
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