X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.241.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3818582 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:40:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.40; envelope-from=bobaloof16@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090819203950.CMIN21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:39:50 -0400 Received: from RCGPC ([68.106.51.63]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id WLfq1c0041MoxFo04Lfq9w; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:39:50 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=biznXsr5AAAA:8 a=IldiyLHMWlDx_VnKWtsA:9 a=jWRts7wZlxj12_3B0_wA:7 a=zMiCQxZnLs4LqGLfb82uC_ANfSkA:4 a=8s3OY_6JReoA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Bob Rickard" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Alternate air on IVP X-Original-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:39:51 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <014e01ca210d$33c17b90$9b4472b0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acog7r2s01OYR2E0Re6sM7hGjFBP2wAHCQxA Content-Language: en-us John -=20 I am a relatively low time IV-P guy (100 hours) but a 2800 hour F-16 = guy, so take any comments with that in mind - I don't pretend to know as much as most guys who have flown Lancairs (and built them) for years. But I have flown up high and pressurized for many years and am comfortable doing = so.=20 I have had occasion to use the alternate air door twice already since = buying the airplane this spring. The first time it iced up with only a trace = on the wing and I lost manifold pressure (and cabin pressure) and had to descend (I was going down whether I wanted to or not) to let it melt - = it did, and everything was ok. I didn't know how to use the door at the = time. The second time it started to happen - an insidious decrease in MP and increase in cabin press - I switched to alternate air and kept the motor running (but still descended out of the weather and light ice). I have never seen the "whole plane iced up" so I don't agree with that = assessment. Now the details - I fly long legs up high, that is why I got this = airplane. I don't fly in "weather" or icing continuously, but the occasional high cloud is unavoidable. At those altitudes, as you are probably aware, = icing can occur anywhere in visible moisture, you never know. I have a = thermal deice system so I am not scared to fly in a cloud, and this alternate = air door is a must in my opinion. I know I can keep flying safely without = ice on the wing, but losing the motor and cabin pressure is serious stuff. Jeff Edwards built my airplane and has a 6A servo with a switch and indicator between the gear and flap handle. I just had to order a new = servo because this is in a relatively high heat/vibration area on the lower = cowl where the door is. I would be happy to send some pics from this install (will be installing the new servo in 3 weeks incidentally, at the LOBO maintenance workshop at Creve Coeur Airport (1H0) on 12-13 September. = My airplane will be the demo bird for the workshop. Bob Rickard N619SJ -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = John Barrett Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:01 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Alternate air on IVP I'm looking for advice on alternate air for the TSIO-550. We have set = up a manual actuator in case the spring loaded/magnet feature fails in some fashion. I am advised now by a builder assist shop to unhook this = because the cable might hang up if the door pops open and may be more of a = hindrance than a help. The gentleman suggests that there have been no actual incidences of air blockage and need for the alternate air because the hole is so large = with the circular filter that you would have to cover the plane with ice to ingest enough to plug the hole. Having had engine stoppage three times in my Beech Sierra, I know that = snow storms can readily bring on that condition in the IO 360 with the small = flat intake under the cowl, but wonder if anyone has experience or = enlightened information on whether the manual cable pull should be installed or disconnected on the Lancair. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Regards, John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com =A0=20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html