X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:23:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web51506.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.198] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with SMTP id 3459722 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:01:08 -0500 Received: (qmail 72508 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2009 03:01:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6FFlNIsc3BjZeTVhMieREj/2Kj4mTsvP0BJ57+okRez92/K/mLrxlV/11IvhQIYrlXmv2S0+zbPVRapll3y4Ipe36ON13zlsNXIzRslM+WlCd7ywi0cAOxSBHEqTzCLR2pg13Bj50U46lMLXaIAcfGefETvm6/8EKv8E95O1DQU=; X-YMail-OSG: .iSeqecVM1kYcYiwx1Cl1o3OmAkgD0ubytj07JozDpZzG6VAYPYhnRiha72cl6tZ07VML2L01ezeyHMKAocTwaXBHMNK0BKqFsIl7dNVNe2bYjZfrv5zC0rMZSXzfRK9slpmkS9IBT_IFsEYABNgN7Dyzd5o1TgwIzjrvTrscBstFSQL6003l1S0ZB_lFFhVcXV2ZaYq2hHUecWTwiOpQpolr1bg Received: from [67.162.178.162] by web51506.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:01:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1156.82 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom McNerney Subject: Down Flap Relay Failure (Update) X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-ID: <770238.71205.qm@web51506.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In response to Scott Krueger I have come up with a few answers to his well = thought out questions.=A0 If I could only be as=A0articulate as he is. (My = Holiday Inn Express stay is way over due)=0A=0A** It would be nice to know = why the relay got stuck (contacts fused?) so that the cause can be eliminat= ed.=0A=0AIt seems that one of the contacts has some sort of buildup on it.= =A0=A0This buildup was half way across the intended gap of the contacts.=A0= I can only assume this was from the relay arcing.=A0=0A=0A** Did you later= measure the actual flap angle since it was probably larger than 45 degrees= if the motor reached its mechanical limit?=A0 Such a deployment could expl= ain the lesser effect of the elevator.=A0 =0A=0AYes, sort of.=A0 The book c= alls for 8 or 8.5 inches travel (can't remember)=A0measured from the inner = most point of the flap.=A0 My flaps were at 11 inches.=A0 Not sure what ang= le that is yet.=A0 Pics below:=0Ahttp://www.n54sg.com/stuff/flap01.jpg=0Aht= tp://www.n54sg.com/stuff/flap02.jpg=0A=0A** Were the flap to bell crank pus= h rods=A0bent as the hole thru the rear spar might not have been big enough= to handle such an extreme?=0A=0ANo=A0 That does seem to be the limiting po= int of the travel, but the breaker popped before any damage was done.=A0 In= flight I was very concerned about flap limit speed.=A0 VFE (Maximum Flap E= xtended Speed) is 120 MPH, assuming you only have 45 degrees of flaps exten= ded.=A0=A0One can only assume that more flaps equals a lower VFE.=A0 Had I = firewalled the throttle I think I would have found out what the true VFE is= for that amount of flaps.=A0 I do know they held up to about 100 MPH indic= ated.=A0 Any slower and I lost pitch up.=A0 I was to chicken to go any fast= er.=A0 This was the main reason I DID NOT want to go around.=0A=0A** Do you= trim the elevator with a tab or spring load the whole elevator?=A0 If by t= ab, it might not be as effective at slower speeds.=0A=0ATab, but a bit bigg= er than stock tab I think.=A0 Pics below:=0Ahttp://www.n54sg.com/stuff/trim= tab01.jpg=0Ahttp://www.n54sg.com/stuff/trimtab02.jpg=0A=0A** What do you es= timate as=A0the location of the CG (I assume you still have that heavier en= gine up front)?=A0 It might be too far forward when low on fuel.=A0=0A=0AI = have no idea...=A0 And this worries me.=A0 I was told this engine was +35lb= s.=A0 But I have also switched from the composite intake to the aluminum, a= dding a few lbs.=A0=A0 I am on the hunt for some scales and someone that kn= ows how to use them.=A0 At least get some idea of where the CG is.=A0 The l= og books showing the engine install does not have that information.=0A=0ATo= m McNerney=0Awww.N54SG.com