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Hi Grayhawk,
You make an interesting point. On my last trip down the Hudson
corridor, ATC had me stay in contact with them instead of switching to the
multicom even though I was VFR.
Jabe Luttrell
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Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:17
AM
Subject: [LML] Re: GEESE
Uh, Lorn please note that he hit the boids at about 3000 MSL in
class B airspace (7000/GND). There should not have
been any aircraft there that wasn't in touch with ATC and subject to
separation. Oh, there was no mention of his TCAS urging any
particular maneuver (drat - birds don't have transponders) and when did TAWS
start singing.
However, as he descended in line with the Hudson river and once he
was below 1100 MSL, he was out of class B and was required to look
out the window - here he should have contacted the Coast Guard to get the
tugs, canoes and ferries out of his way. It was nice that he
skipped over that bridge in his path. Anyway, I think you
have to be in contact with ATC as you motor up the Hudson these days because
of a bad U-turn by a Cirrus a few years ago. Besides his skill,
there were a host of good things that happened after the bird
bash-N-hash.
I stopped flying VFR over the Eisenhower Expressway (between ORD and
MDW to the lake) once I sold the Skymaster (2 Continental engines, different
SMOHs). There is no place to land in the city when your single
engine stops and you are between 1900 MSL and 1000 AGL (about 1700 MSL).
Besides that, Da Mayor has erected pointy tipped iron fences all over the
city.
Grayhawk
In a message dated 1/18/2009 9:35:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
lorn@dynacomm.us writes:
Matt,
The controller is not responsible for separating IFR
aircraft from VFR
aircraft, only other IFR aircraft. It is still
the IFR pilots
responsibility to avoid hitting anything that he
can possibly see
including VFR aircraft, birds and anything else
that is up in the air.
Lorn
> From: Matt Reeves
<mattreeves@yahoo.com>
> Date: January 16, 2009 10:41:25 AM
GMT-05:00
>
> Opinion by Matt Reeves:
>
> FLOCKS OF
GEESE FLY SLOW and usually in a "V" shape, AND ARE EASY TO
>
SEE ON A BLUE SKY DAY - AND ARE sometimes DETECTABLE ON RADAR both
> on airplanes and on the ground. Pilots WERE heros once
plane hit
> the flock, but COULD have the collision with geese
been avoided and
> the answer may be YES.
>
> It is
possible that NEITHER pilot was looking straight out the
>
window because the airplane was on aninstrument flight plan =
>
meaning, controllers on the ground were responsible for aircraft
> separation.
> .
> .
> This aircraft was on an IFR
flight plan meaning looking out the
> window was not required
by the pilots since the controllers on the
> ground were
responsible for separating aircraft. However, at low
> altitude, at geeseflight levels, looking out the window should
be
> mandatory. Most geese do not fly in clouds.
>
.
> .
> Matt
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Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL,
ASES, Comm, Inst
DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500,
mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us
LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,515 hrs, N31161, Y47,
SE Michigan
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