Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #50153
From: Lorn H Olsen <lorn@dynacomm.us>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: GEESE
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:35:33 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Matt,

The controller is not responsible for separating IFR aircraft from VFR aircraft, only other IFR aircraft. It is still the IFR pilots responsibility to avoid hitting anything that he can possibly see including VFR aircraft, birds and anything else that is up in the air.

Lorn

From: Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Date: January 16, 2009 10:41:25 AM GMT-05:00

Opinion by Matt Reeves:

FLOCKS OF GEESE FLY SLOW and usually in a "V" shape, AND ARE EASY TO SEE ON A BLUE SKY DAY - AND ARE sometimes DETECTABLE ON RADAR both on airplanes and on the ground.   Pilots WERE heros once plane hit the flock, but COULD have the collision with geese been avoided and the answer may be YES.

It is possible that NEITHER pilot was looking straight out the window because the airplane was on aninstrument flight plan = meaning, controllers on the ground were responsible for aircraft separation.
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This aircraft was on an IFR flight plan meaning looking out the window was not required by the pilots since the controllers on the ground were responsible for separating aircraft.   However, at low altitude, at geeseflight levels, looking out the window should be mandatory.  Most geese do not fly in clouds.
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Matt
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Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst
DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us
LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,515 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan

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