X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:35:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from a2s34.a2hosting.com ([74.126.18.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTPS id 3431297 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:02:27 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.126.18.170; envelope-from=lorn@dynacomm.us DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=dynacomm.us; h=Received:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=M2A1i4hxQPLweHSUZOlGHG4RMGpTjBY5iU4+y/h9ltjpIkVRyJ96aCxQb2Wm78oFL3cQWHCGN17ZghvnC0bqeel7tyunMRHiPNPxhL3oB4MzbPmb2j75oBVo9p44vBRt; Received: from adsl-69-209-144-228.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([69.209.144.228] helo=[192.168.1.64]) by a2s34.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LOFUS-0003TG-DK for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:48 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <2853F293-A507-4774-8778-25781A441D4C@dynacomm.us> From: Lorn H Olsen X-Original-To: Lancair List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: GEESE X-Original-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s34.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - dynacomm.us Matt, The controller is not responsible for separating IFR aircraft from VFR aircraft, only other IFR aircraft. It is still the IFR pilots responsibility to avoid hitting anything that he can possibly see including VFR aircraft, birds and anything else that is up in the air. Lorn > From: Matt Reeves > Date: January 16, 2009 10:41:25 AM GMT-05:00 > > Opinion by Matt Reeves: > > FLOCKS OF GEESE FLY SLOW and usually in a "V" shape, AND ARE EASY TO > SEE ON A BLUE SKY DAY - AND ARE sometimes DETECTABLE ON RADAR both > on airplanes and on the ground. Pilots WERE heros once plane hit > the flock, but COULD have the collision with geese been avoided and > the answer may be YES. > > It is possible that NEITHER pilot was looking straight out the > window because the airplane was on aninstrument flight plan = > meaning, controllers on the ground were responsible for aircraft > separation. > . > . > This aircraft was on an IFR flight plan meaning looking out the > window was not required by the pilots since the controllers on the > ground were responsible for separating aircraft. However, at low > altitude, at geeseflight levels, looking out the window should be > mandatory. Most geese do not fly in clouds. > . > . > Matt -- Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,515 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan