X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from S4.cableone.net ([24.116.0.230] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3430979 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:29:00 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.116.0.230; envelope-from=bbreen@cableone.net Received: from toshibauser (unverified [72.24.24.220]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 11505252-1872270 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:28:20 -0700 X-Original-Return-Path: From: "Berni" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions? X-Original-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:28:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C97875.2B535C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acl38OS5c8pU/gvgTxqE1wE8C4uqmQArskPg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Original-Message-ID: <1232198900_120876@S4.cableone.net> X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 165, in=63, out=0, spam=0 ip=72.24.24.220 X-Originating-IP: 72.24.24.220 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C97875.2B535C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I too would appreciate learning about the drag reduction mods you performed. Berni Breen Lancair LNC4 _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Art Jensen Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions? Fred, We would all enjoy looking over your work. Please submit photos and explanations. Art --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Fred Moreno wrote: From: Fred Moreno Subject: [LML] FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions? To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:01 AM Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvements you have made ? Tough question, Richard. I can not quantify a lot of the changes because I made most of them during construction so no comparison testing was possible. And I made LOT of changes. I believe that the biggest improvement is also the most difficult: a complete re-engineering of the engine cooling air flow pathway from modified inlets to plenum to patched air leaks, to adjustable cowl flaps that control the outlet area and exit velocity. Total time invested with endless attention to detail in this area: maybe 1000 hours. It is not recommended. Go flying instead. But I would recommend the following place to start: leakage of cooling air from the high pressure area above the engine. When you start looking for leaks, they are EVERYWHERE. Some are very small but numerous, some are large, all are parasitic. You want the air to flow between all the fins, full path length (no short cuts), and the oil cooler, and no where else. Smiley's NASA work in the 80's showed that the stock factory installation (a turbo Piper Aztec with 250 HP Lycoming engines) of baffles, rubber and sheet metal typically leaked 50% of the required cooling flow. That is, if you need 100% to cool the engine, 150% was going into the inlets and out the outlets, pure waste in momentum drag. Most installations I have seen look OK on first blush, but with very close inspection, virtually all leak like sieves. It takes extreme attention to detail and a lot of patience to minimize the leakage. But the benefits of fixing are substantial: reduced drag, and much cooler operating temperatures. When racing with Brent Regan and in studying many other aircraft and collecting anecdotal data from many, I concluded that a well built, smooth, tight fitting Lancair IV had little room for improvement behind the firewall, so most of my work was in front of it. If there is enough interest, I will develop a picture catalog of all the drag reduction modifications I have made together with some descriptive words so other builders can pick and choose what they want to use. Some changes are easy. Some are very time consuming. And because I started with many of the mods in place, I can not separate out the individual benefits. But if enough people are interested, I will compile a catalog and let Marv put it into the archives. Fred Moreno -----Original Message----- From: marv@lancair.net [mailto:marv@lancair.net] Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 3:34 AM To: lml Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights Posted for "Richard T. Schaefer" : Sounds great . Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvements you have made ? > Now that summer is well established Down Under, I was able to conduct some > more flight testing. The air is smooth, winds gentle, and the bugs have ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C97875.2B535C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I too would appreciate learning = about the drag reduction mods you performed.

 

Berni Breen

Lancair = LNC4

 

 

=

 

=

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Art Jensen
Sent: Friday, January 16, = 2009 9:41 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: FW: = [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction = suggestions?

 

Fred,

 

We would all enjoy looking over your = work.  Please submit photos and explanations.

 

Art

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Fred Moreno = <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au>= wrote:

From: Fred = Moreno <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [LML] FW: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights - drag reduction suggestions?
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:01 AM

  Would = you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of = improvements

  you = have made ?

 

Tough question, Richard.  I can not quantify a = lot of the changes because I made most of them during construction so no = comparison testing was possible.  And I made  LOT of changes.

 

I believe that the biggest improvement is also the = most difficult: a complete re-engineering of the engine cooling air flow = pathway from modified inlets to plenum to patched air leaks, to adjustable = cowl flaps that control the outlet area and exit velocity.   Total time invested with endless attention to detail in this area: maybe 1000 hours.  It is not recommended.  Go flying = instead.

 

But I would recommend the following place to start: leakage of cooling air from the high pressure area above the = engine.  When you start looking for leaks, they are EVERYWHERE.  Some are = very small but numerous, some are large, all are parasitic.  You want = the air to flow between all the fins, full path length (no short cuts), and = the oil cooler, and no where else.

 

Smiley's NASA work in the 80's showed that the = stock factory installation (a turbo Piper Aztec with 250 HP Lycoming = engines) of baffles, rubber and sheet metal typically leaked 50% of the required = cooling flow.  That is, if you need 100% to cool the engine, 150% was = going into the inlets and out the outlets, pure waste in momentum drag.  =

 

Most installations I have seen look OK on first = blush, but with very close inspection, virtually all leak like sieves.  It = takes extreme attention to detail and a lot of patience to minimize the leakage.  But the benefits of fixing are substantial: reduced = drag, and much cooler operating temperatures.  =

 

When racing with Brent Regan and in studying many = other aircraft and collecting anecdotal data from many, I concluded that a = well built, smooth, tight fitting Lancair IV had little room for = improvement behind the firewall, so most of my work was in front of it.  =

 

If there is enough interest, I will develop a = picture catalog of all the drag reduction modifications I have made together = with some descriptive words so other builders can pick and choose what they = want to use.  Some changes are easy.  Some are very time = consuming.  And because I started with many of the mods in place, I can not = separate out the individual benefits.  But if enough people are interested, I = will compile a catalog and let Marv put it into the archives. =

 

Fred Moreno

 

-----Original Message-----
From: marv@lancair.net = [mailto:marv@lancair.net]
Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 3:34 AM
To: lml
Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair IV bragging rights

 

Posted for "Richard T. Schaefer" <schaefer@rts-services.com>:

 

  Sounds great .

 

  Would you care to offer up a drag reduction prioritize list of improvements

  you have made ?

 

 

> Now that summer is well established Down = Under, I was able to conduct some

> more flight testing.  The air is smooth, = winds gentle, and the bugs have

 

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