Hello Matt,
As for altitudes geese and other birds fly high and
at night. See article from the USGS.
Migration of Birds
Migratory Flight Altitude
While factors regulating the heights at which birds migrate are not clear, there
are many obvious reasons why flying at higher altitudes may be advantageous.
High-altitude flight may be used to locate familiar landmarks, fly over fog or
clouds, surmount physical barriers, gain advantage of a following wind, or
maintain a better thermoregulatory balance.
In general, estimates of bird heights based on direct observation are quite
unreliable except under special conditions. A Eurasian Sparrowhawk could be
distinguished at 800 feet but disappeared from site at 2,800 feet. A Rook (a
European member of the crow family) could be recognized at 1,000 feet but
disappeared from sight at 3,300 feet. An interesting experiment with an inflated
model of a vulture painted black with a wing span of 7 feet 10 inches
illustrated similar limitations. When released from an airplane at 4,700 feet,
it was barely visible and invisible without binoculars at 5,800 feet. At 7,000
feet it was not picked up even when 12 power binoculars were used. Radar studies
have demonstrated more accurately than human vision that 95 percent of the
migratory movements occur at less than 10,000 feet, the bulk of the movements
occurring under 3,000 feet.
Yet birds do fly at higher altitudes. Bird flight at 20,000 feet, where less
than half the oxygen is present than at sea level, is impressive if only because
the work is achieved by living muscle tissue. A Himalayan mountain climber at
16,000 feet was rather amazed when a flock of geese flew northward about two
miles over his head honking as they went. At 20,000 feet a man has a hard time
talking while running, but those geese were probably flying at 27,000 feet and
even calling while they traveled at this tremendous height. Numerous other
observations have come from the Himalayas. Observers at 14,000 feet recorded
storks and cranes flying so high that they could be seen only through field
glasses. In the same area large vultures were seen soaring at 25,000 feet and an
eagle carcass was found at 26,000 feet. The expedition to Mt. Everest in 1952
found skeletons of a Northern Pintail and a Black-tailed Godwit at 16,400 feet
on Khumbu Glacier. Bar-headed Geese have been observed flying over the highest
peaks (29,000+ feet) even though a 10,000-foot pass was nearby. Probably at
least 30 species regularly cross these high passes. Other accurate records on
altitude of migratory flights are scanty, although altimeter observations from
airplanes and radar are becoming more frequent in the literature. For example, a
Mallard was struck by a commercial airliner at 21,000 feet over the Nevada
desert. Radar observations have revealed that birds on long-distance flights fly
at higher altitudes than short-distance migrants. It has been hypothesized that
advantageous tail winds of greater velocity are found higher up and that the
cooler air minimizes the demand for evaporative water loss to regulate body
temperature under the exertion of flight. Radar studies also have shown that
nocturnal migrants fly at different altitudes at different times during the
night. Birds generally take off shortly after sundown and rapidly gain maximum
altitude. This peak is maintained until around midnight, then the travelers
gradually descend until daylight. Thus, there is considerable variation, but for
most small birds the favored altitude appears to be between 500 and 1,000 feet.
Some nocturnal migrants (probably shorebirds) fly over the ocean at 15,000 or
even 20,000 feet. Nocturnal migrants also fly slightly higher than diurnal
migrants. Observations made from lighthouses and other vantage points indicate
that certain migrants commonly travel at altitudes of very few feet to a few
hundred feet above sea or land. Sandpipers, Red-necked Phalaropes, and various
sea ducks have been seen flying so low they were visible only as they topped a
wave. Observers stationed at lighthouses and lightships off the English coast
have similarly recorded the passage of landbirds flying just above the surface
of the water and rarely rising above 200 feet over the waves.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] GEESE
Hello Matt,
In my experience, geese fly where and when they
choose. I flew IFR through Pennsylvania amid layers of clouds at
6,000'. ATC called out traffic. It was an eschelon of geese above
me. I flew VFR over Harford, Ct. at 2,000'. A Canada goose was
flying from left to right a few hundred feet above me. Just as it passed
the fuselage above it folded its wings and dove directly into my right engine
(Cessna 320). It damaged the spinner, propeller, nose bowl, lower nacelle,
engine cross over tube and deposited lots of itself in the engine nacelle.
I was watching it the whole time. I couldn't maneuver the plane fast
enough to avoid it. How could an airliner? From that experience, I
now aim at any goose or eschelon of geese on an converging path, expecting them
to dive out of the way as I get closer.
Jabe Luttrell
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:41
AM
Subject: [LML] GEESE
Opinion by Matt
Reeves:
FLOCKS OF GEESE FLY SLOW and usually
in a "V" shape, AND ARE EASY TO SEE ON A BLUE SKY DAY - AND ARE sometimes
DETECTABLE ON RADAR both on airplanes and on the ground. Pilots
WERE heros once plane hit the flock, but COULD have the collision with geese
been avoided and the answer may be YES.
It is
possible that NEITHER pilot was looking straight out the window because the
airplane was on an instrument flight plan =
meaning, controllers on the ground were responsible for aircraft
separation.
ALSO, this aircraft floated for enough time to
save the passengers and did not break apart mainly because of pilot skill
bringing it down to a shallow angle of impact at the slowest possible airspeed
above stall speed AND it is built out of CARBON FIBER which is significantly
LIGHTER and stronger than aluminum and more flexible AND more seamless
preventing instant flooding, thus saving lives (sorry RV guys).
Baggage and landing gear compartments sealed with air also helped
buoyancy. PILOTS WERE HEROS in saving lives, but the accident MAY have
been avoidable simply by looking out
the window. Future geese avoidance may include horns
on aircraft, much like deer horns on cars, radar, and simply looking out the
window on the departure and arrival checklists.
This
aircraft was on an IFR
flight plan meaning looking out the window was not required by
the pilots since the controllers on the ground were responsible for separating
aircraft. However, at low altitude, at geese flight levels, looking out
the window should be mandatory. Most geese do not fly in
clouds.
All points I have not seen reported.
What's next?
Billions in research and in the end, no changes except a Goose Therapist Lady
will make off with millions and will simply tell us the geese are depressed
that we are taking over their skies. And in the end? I will marry
her.
Matt
marv@lancair.net wrote:
Posted
for David Standish <carbonflier@bresnan.net>:
That being
said I still need a couple more pilots to get Pete to come out to
Montana this summer. Montana is a great place to
fly. Lots of room for training. Billings is a
great small city. Yellowstone Park is nearby. And a
local FBO has agreed to discount fuel. Please contact me if
you are interested. David
Standish flypetezacc@aol.com
wrote: > ** > > The root problem is getting the message
out to those that think they > do not need training. 43%
of the accidents are people with less than > 100 hours in
type. But, there is a very large number of accidents >
from people with 5000-20000 hours. The ease of receiving training
has > never been easier I implore those that do not need training to
get it > anyway! > > Grassroots effort. Go down the
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