Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #50033
From: Bill <5zq@cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FW: reversing MT
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:03:10 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hi Charlie,
 
I agree with your points on the MT prop. In addition I found that Fred's experience with his MT was quite a bit different than our experience with ours. Sue and I have operated our 2 blade MT prop on our 320 for 1,600 hours. Our house in Florida is on a grass strip and we operate there and at other unpaved strips quite regularly. We've operated on coral strips in the Bahamas, dirt strips in Baja Mexico,  "unimproved" mountain strips in Honduras and other fairly questionable unswept runways. The wear that our MT is showing is pretty minimal. I'd have to say that it's the same or less than I would have expected from a metal prop. We bought a 3 blade MT for the IV but haven't flown it yet so we can't speak to the wear that one would see with a much more powerful engine. Interesting how we can have such different experiences with similar products, eh?
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 1,600 hrs
N6ZQ  IV under construction
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: FW: reversing MT

Compare the following against an aluminum alloy prop.

 

Why Choose an MT prop for the Lancair IV???

 

Less Weight.  After all, why did we choose a Carbon Fiber airplane? Lighter is faster, Right? Why violate that principle, when it comes to the prop???

 

 But here are more facts that validate the “lighter is better “ Especially when it comes to props!

1.      Polar moment of inertia is about ˝ of a metal blade. Translates- Less stress on hub.

2.      Less gyroscopic loads on crankshaft flange/ engine mounts/ firewall engine mounts in turbulence.

 

Wood construction gives MANY advantages over metal as a material choice.

1.      No resonate frequencies. No finite life. Can be serviced unlimited times

2.      No fatigue characteristics.

3.      Field repairable.  New stainless steel leading edge erosion strips can be installed after a stone strike for minimal cost. Wood damage can be repaired, and returned to service.

4.      Tip strike (Gear collapse), would not normally break internal engine parts. Boy, can this save a bundle of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

5.      Balance easier. Uses less weight.

6.      Smoother/ Quieter/ with less vibration.

7.      MT blades fared better than metal blades in bird strike tests at the University of Dayton.

8.      Lightning strikes tests show perfect behavior.

9.      Icing resistant. No engine heat translated to prop blade.

 

 

Additional reasons that MT is a Superior Company to deal with.

1.      Spinner is provided -- and fitted. Kevlar “chrome” no upkeep spinner available.

2.      Saves many hours time and has no wobbles.

3.      German Engineering   



 
Charlie K.
See me on the Web at  www.Lancair-IV.com


--- On Sat, 1/3/09, Fred Moreno <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
From: Fred Moreno <fredmoreno@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [LML] FW: reversing MT
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 6:58 AM

Jeff wrote:

"...The composite MT prop (even with the nickel leading edge) takes 
a beating and gets pitted easily.  Making this a reversing prop (that 
is, going into Beta) invites heavy ingestion of rocks and debris 
sucked back up into the prop after it passes over them..."

I can not comment on the reversing prop, but can confirm that the MT props
have nearly zero tolerance for even small rocks and bits of small gravel
that may be picked up.  The leading edge sheath is very thin, and backed up
with wood.  Thus it does not take much to make a big dent, much bigger than
would occur with an all metal blade. 

With the MT prop, if the dent in the leading edge is less than about a
quarter of an inch wide, AND a tap test completed around the ding with a
large coin AT EVERY PREFLIGHT shows no hollow areas, they you are good to
go.  More than a quarter of an inch, or any area of hollow sound,
particularly one that grows over time, means the prop is not flight worthy,
and has to go to an MT dealer for an expensive and time consuming repair.  

The quote for restoring three blades to new conditions was eight weeks and
nearly half the purchase price of the prop.  Once repaired, the same damage
can occur on the next flight if the little stone with your name on it
happens to be in the right place.   

I punted instead.

Consider the MT to be viable on clean (preferably swept) paved runways,
taxiways, hangar areas and run up areas.  Or keep a spare prop if you can
not tolerate several weeks of shipping and repair time.  MT is slow to ship
the sheaths and repair kits that include special epoxy and vacuum bagging
supplies to put the new sheath on the blade.  After that a lot of
time-consuming hand finishing and painting are required to complete the
repair.   Don't forget that you need a crate for the round trip as well. 
If
you get that rock at a strip far from home, you will have to leave the
airplane and catch a kerosene burner.

I concur that if you want a reversing prop, you should stay on very clean
pavement with NO loose stones present.  Also, avoid all winter-time ice that
might be flicked up to eat a leading edge sheath.   But if you operate off
pristine, clean pavement, then more than likely, you do not need a reversing
prop. 

Fred Moreno, ex-MT prop operator



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