X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3396798 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:30:52 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.cb4.4aa72b1a (42807) for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:30:48 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Insurance X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1230233448" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1230233448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Here's some food for thought (as opposed to that for the belly). Being lazy, I just poked around the Air Safety Foundation's database and looked at the last 5 years (1/1/2004 thru 12/25/2008). I was only interested in fatal accidents. There were 10 235/320/360, 12 IV or IV/P and 7 Legacy. 235/320/360 - (numbers add up to more 10), 3 departure stalls, 4 loss of control, 7 stalls, a midair, 1 instrument flight, 1 low flat approach. IV - IV/P - (numbers add up to more than 12), 3 departure stalls, 3 loss of control, 5 stalls, 4 bad weather breakups, 5 related to power loss (4 on takeoff). Hmmmm, most 235/320/360s are powered by Lycs or look-a-likes. IVs go into bad weather more than they should. Otherwise, bad things happen when going too slow. Now then, the FAA registry yields the following (number currently registered): 235 - 102 320 - 216 360 - 130 Total 448 448/10 = 1 fatal accident per 44.8 planes in 5 years IV - 93 IVP- 212 Total 305 305/12 = 1 fatal accident per 25.4 planes in 5 years. On the other hand, there are 1480 RV3/4 aircraft with 9 fatals in the last 5 years (2 CFITs, 2 Aerobatic Stalls, 2 Departure stalls, a wing that broke off and a few misc). That computes to 1 fatal accident per 164.4 planes in 5 years. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only > 70%. In a message dated 12/25/2008 8:42:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, vonjet@gmail.com writes: Its ridiculous that all Lancair's are getting lumped into this Insurance mess. I understand most of these issues started after the rash of Lancair IV/Legacy accidents. If the 235/320/360's are having too many accidents per insured then I stand corrected. But I don't think that is the case. Guilty by association I guess. Can someone tell me if the accident rate on the LNC2's was part of the cause to this mess? **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025) -------------------------------1230233448 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bryan,

Here's some food for thought (as opposed to that for the belly). =20 Being lazy, I just poked around the Air Safety Foundation's database and loo= ked=20 at the last 5 years (1/1/2004 thru 12/25/2008). I was only intere= sted=20 in fatal accidents. There were 10 235/320/360, 12 IV or IV/P and=20= 7=20 Legacy.

235/320/360 - (numbers add up to more 10), 3 departure stalls, 4 loss o= f=20 control, 7 stalls, a midair, 1 instrument flight, 1 low flat approach.

IV - IV/P - (numbers add up to more than 12), 3 departure stalls, 3 los= s of=20 control, 5 stalls, 4 bad weather breakups, 5 related to power loss (4 on=20 takeoff).

Hmmmm, most 235/320/360s are powered by Lycs or look-a-likes. = ;=20 IVs go into bad weather more than they should. Otherwise, bad things=20 happen when going too slow.

Now then, the FAA registry yields the following (number currently= =20 registered):

235 - 102

320 - 216

360 - 130

Total 448 448/10 =3D 1 fatal accident per 44.8 planes i= n 5=20 years

IV - 93

IVP- 212

Total 305 305/12 =3D 1 fatal accident per 25.4 planes in 5 years.=

On the other hand, there are 1480 RV3/4 aircraft with 9 fatals in=20= the=20 last 5 years (2 CFITs, 2 Aerobatic Stalls, 2 Departure stalls, a wing=20 that broke off and a few misc). That computes to 1 fatal accident= per=20 164.4 planes in 5 years.

Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)

Pil= ot=20 not TSO'd, Certificated score only > 70%.

In a message dated 12/25/2008 8:42:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 vonjet@gmail.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Its=20 ridiculous that all Lancair's are getting lumped into this Insurance mess.= =20 I understand most of these issues started after the rash of Lancair=20 IV/Legacy accidents. If the 235/320/360's are having too many accide= nts=20 per insured then I stand corrected. But I don't think that is the case.=20 Guilty by association I guess. Can someone tell me if the acci= dent=20 rate on the LNC2's was part of the cause to this mess? =20

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yaho= o Mail. Try it now.

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