X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3396804 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:00:26 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.102; envelope-from=lancair1@bellsouth.net Received: from doughppc (adsl-074-180-034-067.sip.jax.bellsouth.net[74.180.34.67]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20081225195947H02005jn0be>; Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:59:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.180.34.67] From: "Douglas W Johnson" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Insurance X-Original-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:59:21 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c966cb$47ccfb20$d766f160$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C966A1.5EF6F320" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclmnwQEWg2Sp/fQStuJgoRY72A0jQALDxRg Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C966A1.5EF6F320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well put. Thanks. =20 Douglas W. Johnson, MD PA 8265 Riding Club Road Jacksonville, FL 32256 (904) 642-6016 phone (904) 202-7020 fax Lancair1@bellsouth.net www.frogdocs.com =20 =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = n427jb@bellsouth.net Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:42 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Insurance =20 There were several issues presented today that require my additional = comments on the insurance/training issue. AIG cannot possibly demand = that each and every one of those aircraft inspected by Lancair need to = be reinspected. Now, keep in mind that in my last post I stated that if = the aircraft has been sold then a re-inspection would be required. = Further, while I greatly respect Jeff Edwards' enthusiasm for this = subject, I do disagree with certain of his assessments. Tim Wilson's = day job has become essentially one totally devoted to scheduling = inspections. When and if Lancair inspections become too numerous for = Tim to handle, you can be assured Lancair will expand the number of = inspectors to handle the demand. While the cost for such an inspection = can be "significant," what is the value to the owner of finding a = potentially devastating flaw and thereby preventing property damage and = personal injury? =20 Now on to the issue of instruction. No doubt, Jeff is a knowledgable = source who has cited statistics which should assist the insurance = industry and the FAA in determining what is the root cause of accidents. = What neither Jeff nor Pete can do is look into the mind of the pilot at = any time much less at a time immediately prior to or during any flight. = They cannot be there when the pilot decides that he or she will = disregard the requirements of Part 91 regarding a current BFR, = instrument approach currency, night or day landing requirements, or even = a current medical. The pilot is the problem and the pilot needs to be = trained and reminded of the hazards of flight. That pilot needs to know = that it is the initial go-no go decision that is the most important = decision he can make for the entire flight. It is through repetative = training that this issue is driven home! Now, what Jeff and Pete must = do is find a way to effectively communicate. This issue is bigger than = the both of them. In their communications, they must come up with a = common syllabus and a common check list with which to teach and from = which to report on those items taught during the training. This common = check list, when completed and delivered to Lancair, will be the basis = for the issuance of the insurance inspection form. I invite Jeff to = coordinate his efforts with Pete before setting a date for a meeting of = any kind wherein he wishes Pete to participate. =20 Finally, please do not assume that Lancair is working with AIG because = it is insured with AIG. That is not the case. I have spoken with Starr = Insurance, now managed by Jim Anderson, who refuses to insure Lancairs = due to its loss history. I have not sought out other insurance = companies but, as I reported in my last post, I did hear that Avemco was = starting to insure Lancair aircraft. I would ask that all report here = on the LML our experiences with other insurance companies. You want = insurance at reasonable rates? Start training now and fly like you have = been trained. =20 =20 This is not a personality contest...its not "I like Pete" or "I like = Jeff." Its all about getting a common training syllabus and a common = check list which Lancair can endorse and use as a standard from which to = issue an insurance certificate. =20 =20 Joe No virus found in this incoming message. 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Well put. = Thanks.

 

Douglas W. Johnson, MD = PA

8265 Riding Club = Road

Jacksonville, FL = 32256

(904) 642-6016 = phone

(904) 202-7020 fax

Lancair1@bellsouth.net<= /p>

www.frogdocs.com

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of n427jb@bellsouth.net
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:42 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Insurance

 

There were several issues presented today that require my additional comments = on the insurance/training issue.  AIG cannot possibly demand that each and = every one of those aircraft inspected by Lancair need to be reinspected.  = Now, keep in mind that in my last post I stated that if the aircraft has been = sold then a re-inspection would be required.  Further, while I greatly = respect Jeff Edwards' enthusiasm for this subject, I do disagree with certain of = his assessments.  Tim Wilson's day job has become essentially one = totally devoted to scheduling inspections.  When and if Lancair inspections = become too numerous for Tim to handle, you can be assured Lancair will = expand the number of inspectors to handle the demand.  While the cost for such = an inspection can be "significant," what is the value to the = owner of finding a potentially devastating flaw and thereby = preventing property damage and personal injury?

 

Now on to the issue of instruction.  No doubt, Jeff is a knowledgable = source who has cited statistics which should assist the insurance industry and = the FAA in determining what is the root cause of accidents.  What neither = Jeff nor Pete can do is look into the mind of the pilot at any time much less at = a time immediately prior to or during any flight.  They cannot be there = when the pilot decides that he or she will disregard the requirements of Part 91 regarding a current BFR, instrument approach currency, night or day = landing requirements, or even a current medical.  The pilot is the problem = and the pilot needs to be trained and reminded of the hazards of flight.  = That pilot needs to know that it is the initial go-no go decision that is the = most important decision he can make for the entire flight.  It is = through repetative training that this issue is driven home!  Now, what Jeff = and Pete must do is find a way to effectively communicate.  This issue = is bigger than the both of them.  In their communications, they must = come up with a common syllabus and a common check list with which to teach = and from which to report on those items taught during the training.  = This common check list, when completed and delivered to Lancair, will be the = basis for the issuance of  the insurance inspection form.  I invite = Jeff to coordinate his efforts with Pete before setting a date for a meeting of = any kind wherein he wishes Pete to participate.

 

Finally, please do not assume that Lancair is working with AIG because = it is insured with AIG.  That is not the case.  I have spoken with = Starr Insurance, now managed by Jim Anderson, who refuses to insure Lancairs = due to its loss history.  I have not sought out other insurance companies = but, as I reported in my last post, I did hear that Avemco was starting to = insure Lancair aircraft.  I would ask that all report here on the LML our = experiences with other insurance companies.  You want insurance at reasonable rates?  Start training now and fly like you have been = trained. 

 

This is not a personality contest...its not "I like Pete" or = "I like Jeff."  Its all about getting a common training syllabus and a = common check list which Lancair can endorse and use as a standard from which to = issue an insurance certificate. 

 

Joe

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