X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:23:22 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3394565 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:55:52 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.bfb.4a7d45f3 (42807) for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:55:49 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:55:49 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Landing a IV on Packed Snow X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1230083749" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5000 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1230083749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en OK, so much for IV's. =20 =20 Be advised that 320/360's have no problem if you can hold a line. I have=20 flown from and onto patchy ice, packed snow and other unfriendly surfaces -= =20 with the least of problems as long as there is no extreme x-wind. Of cours= e, I=20 have chosen long runways and require little braking from our grocery cart=20 wheels. Just let the thing roll out - if there is snow, it provides adequa= te=20 braking all by itself. Landing speed is no different than on dry pavement=20= as=20 long as there is sufficient length. I don't like braking so I know the rol= l =20 out distance for a dry runway at a certain landing speed without braking -=20= it=20 is the same or less for packed snow or even ice if the line can be =20 maintained. =20 A frozen Grayhawk in NE Illinois. If only I could get my 320 over the ice=20 lump in front of the hangar - the perf is great.=20 =20 =20 In a message dated 12/23/2008 7:42:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes: Having done lots of packed snow landings in my 210, I decided to give it a=20 try in the IV. With no nose gear steering and relying totally on different= ial=20 braking, I didn=E2=80=99t actually make it too far from the hangar before a= borting=20 my ill thought out mission. (have you seen the weather in Seattle this =20 weekend?!?) I wouldn=E2=80=99t recommend anyone land a IV on packed snow. In fact, I wo= uldn=E2=80=99t=20 recommend even taxiing, much less taking off and landing. John Hafen 413AJ On 12/22/08 8:56 AM, "_vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mip://04a90258/vtailjeff@aol.com)= =20 " <_vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mip://04a90258/vtailjeff@aol.com) > wrote: On thin snow cover (less than an inch) with a cross wind lost directional=20 control and nearly departed runway before going around. Have handled this=20 before in Bonanza and C182 but they have nosewheel steering and lower landi= ng=20 speeds.=20 -----Original Message----- From: _vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mip://04a90258/vtailjeff@aol.com)=20 To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mip://04a90258/lml@lancaironline.net)=20 Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:30 am Subject: [LML] Re: snow yep, and its not good. I avoid snow on the runway due to high tire pressure= =20 and no nose wheel steering. Others my have different opinions. Jeff Anybody have experience in IVs, landing/taking off from runways with compac= t=20 snow and ice? -----Original Message----- From: Tomas Holbrook <_tomasdds@yahoo.com_=20 (mip://04a90258/tomasdds@yahoo.com) > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mip://04a90258/lml@lancaironline.net)=20 Sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 4:47 pm Subject: [LML] snow Anybody have experience in IVs, landing/taking off from runways with compac= t=20 snow and ice? Tomas -- For archives and unsub=20 _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html_ (http://mail.lancairo= nline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html)=20 =3D0 A =20 ____________________________________ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations =E2=80=93 including song= s for=20 the holidays =E2=80=93 FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now=20 <_http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=3Demlweusdown00000013_=20 (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=3Demlweusdown00000013) >= !=20 =20 ____________________________________ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations =CB=86 including songs =20= for=20 the holidays =CB=86 FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now=20 <_http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=3Demlweusdown00000013_=20 (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=3Demlweusdown00000013) >= ! =20 **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,=20 Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.=20 (http://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp&icid=3Daolcom40vanity&ncid=3Demlcntaolco= m00000025) -------------------------------1230083749 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
OK, so much for IV's. 
 
Be advised that 320/360's have no problem if you can hold a line. = I=20 have flown from and onto patchy ice, packed snow and other=20 unfriendly surfaces - with the least of problems as long as there is no= =20 extreme x-wind.  Of course, I have chosen long runways and require= =20 little braking from our grocery cart wheels.  Just let the thing r= oll=20 out - if there is snow, it provides adequate braking all by itself. =20 Landing speed is no different than on dry pavement as long as there is=20 sufficient length.  I don't like braking so I know the roll=20 out distance for a dry runway at a certain landing speed without brakin= g=20 - it is the same or less for packed snow or even ice if the line can be= =20 maintained.
 
A frozen Grayhawk in NE Illinois.  If only I could get my 320= =20 over the ice lump in front of the hangar - the perf is great. 
 
In a message dated 12/23/2008 7:42:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>vtailjeff@aol.com" <vtailjeff@aol.com>=20 wrote:
On thin snow cover (less than an inch) with a=20= cross=20 wind lost directional control and nearly departed runway before going=20 around. Have handled this before in Bonanza and C182 but they have nosew= heel=20 steering and lower landing speeds.


-----Original=20 Message-----
From: vtailjeff@aol.com
To: <= A=20 title=3Dhttp://lml@lancaironline.net=20 href=3D"mip://04a90258/lml@lancaironline.net">lml@lancaironline.net<= BR>Sent:=20 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:30 am
Subject: [LML] Re: snow

yep, and its= not=20 good. I avoid snow on the runway due to high tire pressure and no nose w= heel=20 steering. Others my have different opinions.

Jeff
Anybody have experience in IVs, landing/taki= ng off=20 from runways with compact
snow and=20 ice?



-----Original Message-----
From= :=20 Tomas Holbrook <tomasdds@yahoo.com>To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net<= BR>Sent:=20 Sun, 21 Dec 2008 4:47 pm
Subject: [LML] snow


Anybody have experience in IVs, landing/ta= king=20 off from runways with compact
snow and=20 ice?

Tomas


      
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