X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.78.26] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3392287 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:44:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.78.26; envelope-from=mdpilot982@gmail.com Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so351851eya.25 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index :x-mimeole:from; b=XeneiUiOzTmIi2KAdA9jaMHXxDOvHEnhilu1iBnUOdQy3KJ0oiwk6pe665gl7QMHVK H4UZJdlblFSPVwEP8IVkmLkb1h2Xw6Lkp3q5s1vykVip3OKNTq7czku+zkeNFbfMVrnW mihw1PrGDqS2zHbOiTh0f9XkI3i9NkPeI2hfg= Received: by 10.210.144.3 with SMTP id r3mr7612061ebd.197.1229967834959; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from ee20e4e819e04ac (c-75-72-249-193.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [75.72.249.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1526337eyb.11.2008.12.22.09.43.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:43:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Message-ID: <494fd1d9.0702d00a.14da.ffff8cb3@mx.google.com> X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: snow X-Original-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:43:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclkUxTA2HwxgjXIRTyRPAORtJFmkAACVWwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 From: Michael Smith Up here in Minnesota I have some experience with this. Usually not a problem as long as speed is correct on short final and proper use of controls on crosswind landing technique. Be sure and check for brake pressure on short final. Bigger problem is kicking up slush which then promptly freezes on bottom of wing which makes for a cold minutes getting it off before leaving again. Sometimes I land with avoiding puddles and slush balls. Michael Smith -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Robert Pastusek Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:33 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: snow Thomas Holbrook asks: Anybody have experience in IVs, landing/taking off from runways with compact snow and ice? I have not done this, but based on my limited experience with wet runways and the braking normally required to stop on a 3000' runway, I would not even consider it. Even the smallest crosswind is likely to cause you to drift off the side, and the marginal braking available on packed snow/ice means you'll need to more than double your normal landing distance--if you can stay on the runway that long... Just my opinion...I take it you have not yet operated an IV/IV-P off a short or wet runway yet? Bob Pastusek -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html